Why Trump Took The 5th

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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by Evil » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:28 pm

Good job. Now is it criminal or civil?
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by Chester Cheesewright » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:28 pm

Pete wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:23 pm
The Scotus has held that pleading the 5th must not be considered evidence of guilt.
► That's right on

His other problem, though, is compulsive lying. No counsel would dare suggest he testify in his defense

We'll never see him on the stand under oath
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by psk836 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:32 pm

KC_ wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:12 pm
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/donald-tr ... -ag-james/

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?'” Trump said. “Now I know the answer to that question. When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”
Only an idiot would testify if they thought they were the target of an investigation.
He could have taken the Clinton.

"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
And so on, and so on, and so on....
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by KC_ » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:35 pm

psk836 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:32 pm
KC_ wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:12 pm
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/donald-tr ... -ag-james/

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?'” Trump said. “Now I know the answer to that question. When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”
Only an idiot would testify if they thought they were the target of an investigation.
He could have taken the Clinton.

"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
And so on, and so on, and so on....
He could have. I think taking the 5th was his best choice.
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by thelionofthenorth » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:43 pm

Pete wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:19 pm
The Scotus has held that pleading the 5th must not be considered evidence of guilt.
That applies to criminal proceedings, which this is not.
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by nolaxride » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:57 pm

Pete wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:19 pm
The Scotus has held that pleading the 5th must not be considered evidence of guilt.
That is true in criminal cases. In civil cases, adverse or negative inferences are allowed but can't be used as the sole determiner of guilt.
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by nolaxride » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:00 pm

KC_ wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:35 pm
psk836 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:32 pm
KC_ wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:12 pm
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/donald-tr ... -ag-james/

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?'” Trump said. “Now I know the answer to that question. When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”
Only an idiot would testify if they thought they were the target of an investigation.
He could have taken the Clinton.

"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
And so on, and so on, and so on....
He could have. I think taking the 5th was his best choice.
I think you're right. If he says he doesn't remember and he's responded to the topic during a deposition, it might open a new level of questioning.
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by KC_ » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:03 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:00 pm
KC_ wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:35 pm
psk836 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:32 pm
KC_ wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:12 pm
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/donald-tr ... -ag-james/

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?'” Trump said. “Now I know the answer to that question. When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”
Only an idiot would testify if they thought they were the target of an investigation.
He could have taken the Clinton.

"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
And so on, and so on, and so on....
He could have. I think taking the 5th was his best choice.
I think you're right. If he says he doesn't remember and he's responded to the topic during a deposition, it might open a new level of questioning.
Remaining silent when you have exposure is always the best strategy. They can’t catch you in any lies .
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by nolaxride » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:09 pm

KC_ wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:03 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:00 pm
KC_ wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:35 pm
psk836 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:32 pm
KC_ wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:12 pm
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/donald-tr ... -ag-james/

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?'” Trump said. “Now I know the answer to that question. When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”
Only an idiot would testify if they thought they were the target of an investigation.
He could have taken the Clinton.

"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
"I don't remember."
And so on, and so on, and so on....
He could have. I think taking the 5th was his best choice.
I think you're right. If he says he doesn't remember and he's responded to the topic during a deposition, it might open a new level of questioning.
Remaining silent when you have exposure is always the best strategy. They can’t catch you in any lies .
Trump lie? When a major accounting firm like Mazur resigns, you know there's something amiss. I expect there will be a civil trial and we'll hear weeks and weeks of bickering over how properties were valued. Trump makes a good point that everyone made money... mostly. The key prosecution points will be how he inflated costs by using his own 'supply' company, allowing him to charge HUD more for Section 8 and whether the appraisals were unduly inflated. As the casino was located in NJ, I don't think it will be relevant.
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Re: Why Trump Took The 5th

Post by Scooter » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:23 pm

Evil wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:23 pm
psk836 wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:19 pm
Trump is the Chuck Norris of politics.
That makes Biden the Bruce Lee of politics.
Bruce Lee was a pedophile?
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