China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by psk836 » Tue May 04, 2021 12:32 pm

Evil wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:09 pm
Specifically, President Xi committed to (read the speech here) - values compared to 2005 levels:

Reduce carbon intensity by over 65% by 2030 (compared to its initial commitment of 60-65%)—it was at 48.1% at the end of 2019;
Increase non-fossil energy to around 25% by 2030 (compared to 20% in their current target)—it was at 15.3% at the end of 2019;
Increase forest stock volume to 6 billion cubic meters by 2030 (compared to 4.5 billion in their current target)—it was approximately 4.5 billion cubic meters at the end of 2019; and
Increase total installed capacity of wind and solar to 1,200 gigawatts by 2030 (no previous target)—it was at 415 gigawatts at the end of 2019.

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/jake-schmi ... ate-action
China is building, right now today, more coal fired power capacity than the US has in its entire portfolio.
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by psk836 » Tue May 04, 2021 12:34 pm

KC_ wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:18 pm
Evil wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:09 pm
Specifically, President Xi committed to (read the speech here) - values compared to 2005 levels:

Reduce carbon intensity by over 65% by 2030 (compared to its initial commitment of 60-65%)—it was at 48.1% at the end of 2019;
Increase non-fossil energy to around 25% by 2030 (compared to 20% in their current target)—it was at 15.3% at the end of 2019;
Increase forest stock volume to 6 billion cubic meters by 2030 (compared to 4.5 billion in their current target)—it was approximately 4.5 billion cubic meters at the end of 2019; and
Increase total installed capacity of wind and solar to 1,200 gigawatts by 2030 (no previous target)—it was at 415 gigawatts at the end of 2019.

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/jake-schmi ... ate-action
Sure . When the Chi-Coms say they are going to do something, they always do it . I mean they wouldn’t lie. I mean they are staunch environmentalists.
I think they are telling us the truth when they tell us they will continue relying on fossil fuels for as long as they see fit.

The only thing that has changed is they no longer feel it necessary to lie to us about their intentions. Because of one other change.
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by Evil » Tue May 04, 2021 12:38 pm

psk836 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:32 pm
Evil wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:09 pm
Specifically, President Xi committed to (read the speech here) - values compared to 2005 levels:

Reduce carbon intensity by over 65% by 2030 (compared to its initial commitment of 60-65%)—it was at 48.1% at the end of 2019;
Increase non-fossil energy to around 25% by 2030 (compared to 20% in their current target)—it was at 15.3% at the end of 2019;
Increase forest stock volume to 6 billion cubic meters by 2030 (compared to 4.5 billion in their current target)—it was approximately 4.5 billion cubic meters at the end of 2019; and
Increase total installed capacity of wind and solar to 1,200 gigawatts by 2030 (no previous target)—it was at 415 gigawatts at the end of 2019.

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/jake-schmi ... ate-action
China is building, right now today, more coal fired power capacity than the US has in its entire portfolio.
It's the fastest and cheapest way to serve it's currently growing needs. It does not mean they will not peak in 2030 and become carbon neutral by 2060 as agreed to. Maybe they are taking the Chucky approach of relying on technology that doesn't exist yet. :lo2l:
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by barrysoetoro » Tue May 04, 2021 3:52 pm

Evil wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:09 pm
Specifically, President Xi committed to (read the speech here) - values compared to 2005 levels:

Reduce carbon intensity by over 65% by 2030 (compared to its initial commitment of 60-65%)—it was at 48.1% at the end of 2019;
Increase non-fossil energy to around 25% by 2030 (compared to 20% in their current target)—it was at 15.3% at the end of 2019;
Increase forest stock volume to 6 billion cubic meters by 2030 (compared to 4.5 billion in their current target)—it was approximately 4.5 billion cubic meters at the end of 2019; and
Increase total installed capacity of wind and solar to 1,200 gigawatts by 2030 (no previous target)—it was at 415 gigawatts at the end of 2019.

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/jake-schmi ... ate-action
:rolling:

That's just like Saudi Arabia saying they're going to contribute to gay rights
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by psk836 » Tue May 04, 2021 4:23 pm

If they said it evil would believe it.
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by Evil » Tue May 04, 2021 4:40 pm

psk836 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:23 pm
If they said it evil would believe it.
When did I say I believed them? As usual, I'm so in your head that you think I made comments that I didn't. Get a job and take your mind off of me
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by KC_ » Tue May 04, 2021 5:16 pm

Evil wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:40 pm
psk836 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:23 pm
If they said it evil would believe it.
When did I say I believed them? As usual, I'm so in your head that you think I made comments that I didn't. Get a job and take your mind off of me
“so I have no reason not to believe them.” In this thread.
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by Evil » Tue May 04, 2021 5:31 pm

KC_ wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:16 pm
Evil wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:40 pm
psk836 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:23 pm
If they said it evil would believe it.
When did I say I believed them? As usual, I'm so in your head that you think I made comments that I didn't. Get a job and take your mind off of me
“so I have no reason not to believe them.” In this thread.
Exactly
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by KC_ » Tue May 04, 2021 5:55 pm

Evil wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:31 pm
KC_ wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:16 pm
Evil wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:40 pm
psk836 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:23 pm
If they said it evil would believe it.
When did I say I believed them? As usual, I'm so in your head that you think I made comments that I didn't. Get a job and take your mind off of me
“so I have no reason not to believe them.” In this thread.
Exactly
You so funny. :lo2l:
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Re: China: Wind And Solar Too Unstable, Will Stick With Coal

Post by psk836 » Tue May 04, 2021 5:56 pm

I think the world should take China at its word as much as Europe could take Hitler at his word prior to WWII.

China’s intentions are more obvious in foresight than Hitler’s were in hindsight.
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