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Re: The second amendment

Post by Shred » Sun May 02, 2021 4:58 am

Why would I actually need to carry an AR-15 through an airport ?
I can carry my luggage through, that's enough.

In my country, my father had a heart op, a quadruple bypass carried out on the NHS, all down to money he paid in his taxes, how much would it cost in your country if your dad required the same op ?

You have freedom to own lethal weapons (so do we as it happens, air guns, bows and crossbows for example), what about the freedom to have life saving medical care via your taxes ?
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Re: The second amendment

Post by nolaxride » Sun May 02, 2021 3:19 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:01 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:44 pm
Shred wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:36 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:47 pm
So you agree there are limits, gun controls, required in our society?

And tell me, what happens if the 5.56 doesn't hit anything to start the tumble? Would you believe a Vietnam vet writing in the American Thinker?

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... am_ki.html

To quote the conclusion, "The lethality of the 5.56mm cartridge, sold on lies, cannot be fixed in truth. It is time the Department of Defense recognizes this 'Big Lie' from the Vietnam War and in the names of MSgt Kevin N. Morehead and SFC William M. Bennett replaces this varmint cartridge with one that gives our warriors that critical capability described by SFC Paul Howe above——one—round knockdown power!"
Our soldiers in Afghanistan were finding inadequacies with the SA80 (developed from the AR18) a 5.56mm rifle designed to NATO standards.
They had problems with range and lethality.
As a result Lewis Machine and Tool Company of the USA were contracted to make a 7.62mm NATO calibre rifle to supplement British forces in Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Mac ... ol_Company

I grant you, it looks like an AR-15 but it's more like an AR-10 or the old SLR, in fact the old SLR would have done the job.

The .223 / 5.56mm concept is indeed a flawed concept.
They are good for target shooting. I've used them in the 300-50 yard range. Beyond that, 6mm Creedmoor.
You don't need an ar-15. It's a weapon of war. It needs to be off the streets
You are correct. My target rifle is essentially an AR-15 shooting a .223. It is a single shot. Would you consider that a weapon of war?
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Re: The second amendment

Post by nolaxride » Sun May 02, 2021 5:17 pm

Shred wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:02 am
It allows the bearing of arms but how far does that go ?
Are you allowed hand grenades ?
Are you allowed bazookas ?
Anti aircraft guns ?
Guided missiles ?
Napalm ?
How do I light my charcoal grill without napalm? And those grenades are really helpful when battling groundhogs.
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Re: The second amendment

Post by Shred » Sun May 02, 2021 6:05 pm

If I wanted, I could own one of these:


There's a local firearms club with a suitable range.
Hell, they allow black powder shooting as well, if I wanted I could own and shoot a Colt Single Action Army.

It's just a case of paying the fee and ticking the boxes:
https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/sit ... ficate.pdf
This is the form.

I really enjoy shooting but just don't need a firearm or a shotgun.
I'd have to buy a safe.

The ammunition is more expensive than an air weapon.
The discipline involved in target shooting is the same.

Out here iit's pretty safe, I've sometimes left my doors unlocked at night and my car and not been robbed.
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Re: The second amendment

Post by barrysoetoro » Sun May 02, 2021 6:46 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:19 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:01 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:44 pm
Shred wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:36 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:47 pm
So you agree there are limits, gun controls, required in our society?

And tell me, what happens if the 5.56 doesn't hit anything to start the tumble? Would you believe a Vietnam vet writing in the American Thinker?

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... am_ki.html

To quote the conclusion, "The lethality of the 5.56mm cartridge, sold on lies, cannot be fixed in truth. It is time the Department of Defense recognizes this 'Big Lie' from the Vietnam War and in the names of MSgt Kevin N. Morehead and SFC William M. Bennett replaces this varmint cartridge with one that gives our warriors that critical capability described by SFC Paul Howe above——one—round knockdown power!"
Our soldiers in Afghanistan were finding inadequacies with the SA80 (developed from the AR18) a 5.56mm rifle designed to NATO standards.
They had problems with range and lethality.
As a result Lewis Machine and Tool Company of the USA were contracted to make a 7.62mm NATO calibre rifle to supplement British forces in Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Mac ... ol_Company

I grant you, it looks like an AR-15 but it's more like an AR-10 or the old SLR, in fact the old SLR would have done the job.

The .223 / 5.56mm concept is indeed a flawed concept.
They are good for target shooting. I've used them in the 300-50 yard range. Beyond that, 6mm Creedmoor.
You don't need an ar-15. It's a weapon of war. It needs to be off the streets
You are correct. My target rifle is essentially an AR-15 shooting a .223. It is a single shot. Would you consider that a weapon of war?
Your president said that, moron.
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Re: The second amendment

Post by barrysoetoro » Sun May 02, 2021 6:47 pm

Shred wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 4:58 am
Why would I actually need to carry an AR-15 through an airport ?
I can carry my luggage through, that's enough.

In my country, my father had a heart op, a quadruple bypass carried out on the NHS, all down to money he paid in his taxes, how much would it cost in your country if your dad required the same op ?

You have freedom to own lethal weapons (so do we as it happens, air guns, bows and crossbows for example), what about the freedom to have life saving medical care via your taxes ?
You can do that here.
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Re: The second amendment

Post by Shred » Sun May 02, 2021 7:18 pm

You're saying that there's tax funded universal healthcare free at the point of delivery in your country?

I had no idea...
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Re: The second amendment

Post by nolaxride » Mon May 03, 2021 4:44 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 6:46 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:19 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:01 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:44 pm
Shred wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:36 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:47 pm
So you agree there are limits, gun controls, required in our society?

And tell me, what happens if the 5.56 doesn't hit anything to start the tumble? Would you believe a Vietnam vet writing in the American Thinker?

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... am_ki.html

To quote the conclusion, "The lethality of the 5.56mm cartridge, sold on lies, cannot be fixed in truth. It is time the Department of Defense recognizes this 'Big Lie' from the Vietnam War and in the names of MSgt Kevin N. Morehead and SFC William M. Bennett replaces this varmint cartridge with one that gives our warriors that critical capability described by SFC Paul Howe above——one—round knockdown power!"
Our soldiers in Afghanistan were finding inadequacies with the SA80 (developed from the AR18) a 5.56mm rifle designed to NATO standards.
They had problems with range and lethality.
As a result Lewis Machine and Tool Company of the USA were contracted to make a 7.62mm NATO calibre rifle to supplement British forces in Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Mac ... ol_Company

I grant you, it looks like an AR-15 but it's more like an AR-10 or the old SLR, in fact the old SLR would have done the job.

The .223 / 5.56mm concept is indeed a flawed concept.
They are good for target shooting. I've used them in the 300-50 yard range. Beyond that, 6mm Creedmoor.
You don't need an ar-15. It's a weapon of war. It needs to be off the streets
You are correct. My target rifle is essentially an AR-15 shooting a .223. It is a single shot. Would you consider that a weapon of war?
Your president said that, moron.
No. He didn't. A single-shot AR-15 with a 26" barrel would not be considered an assault weapon.
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Re: The second amendment

Post by nolaxride » Mon May 03, 2021 4:46 pm

Shred wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 7:18 pm
You're saying that there's tax funded universal healthcare free at the point of delivery in your country?

I had no idea...
Of course, you didn't. It doesn't exist.
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Re: The second amendment

Post by Shred » Mon May 03, 2021 5:32 pm

I know.

The only completely free country, is one that is completely anarchic, aka a warzone.
In such a place, anyone and their mate's dog would needs self defence gear by the lorry load

But in civilisation, where there are laws, and people can get arrested or killed for breaking those laws, people are protected and don't need as much gear for their own security and well being.
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