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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by Chester Cheesewright » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:08 am

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Oh I’m sorry, I was talking about the entire year, not just cherry picking the month of July.
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by psk836 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am

Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:58 am
If you use the cooked books.

If you use the newest USCRN completely unbiased and unmanipulated data, well, not so much.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/15/ ... 5-for-usa/

"While we are on that subject of datasets and small temperature differences, here is a bit of inconvenient data that never gets mentioned.

NOAA’s U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) has the best quality climate data on the planet, yet it never gets mentioned in the NOAA/NASA press releases. Commissioned in 2005, it has the most accurate, unbiased, and un-adjusted data of any climate dataset.

The USCRN has no biases, and no need for adjustments, and in my opinion represents a ground truth for climate change.

In this graph of the contiguous United States updated for 2019 comes out about 0.75°F cooler than the start of the dataset in 2005:

Source: NOAA’s live online data plotter
The data show above was not plotted by me, nor adjusted in any way. It is entirely NOAA’s, and the fact that 2019 in the USA48 is cooler than 2005 is indisputable. The two large peaks are related to natural El Nino events which warmed not just the USA, but the world.

While the U.S. isn’t the world, and the dataset is shorter than the requisite 30 year period for climate data, the lack of warming in the contiguous United States since 2005 shown in the graph above suggests that the data NOAA and NASA use from the antiquated Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) reflects warmer biases due to urbanization and adjustments to the data."
►All your "research" is confined to right wing sources
Yes you keep saying that.

All my "right wing source" did in this instance was point out NOAA's own data (that NOAA itself does not like to publicize) that disproves the headlines, using newer actual highly accurate and unadjusted NOAA data, as opposed to the older, urban heat sink perverted and adjusted numbers that is used to generate the Hysteric "world on fire" headlines.
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by psk836 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:10 am

Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:08 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:42 am
Oh I’m sorry, I was talking about the entire year, not just cherry picking the month of July.
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That chart shows ocean temperature changes in zettajoules.

The actual temperature rise in degrees that you are looking at there is 1/10th of one degree over 60 years.
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by Chester Cheesewright » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:15 am

psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:58 am
If you use the cooked books.

If you use the newest USCRN completely unbiased and unmanipulated data, well, not so much.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/15/ ... 5-for-usa/

"While we are on that subject of datasets and small temperature differences, here is a bit of inconvenient data that never gets mentioned.

NOAA’s U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) has the best quality climate data on the planet, yet it never gets mentioned in the NOAA/NASA press releases. Commissioned in 2005, it has the most accurate, unbiased, and un-adjusted data of any climate dataset.

The USCRN has no biases, and no need for adjustments, and in my opinion represents a ground truth for climate change.

In this graph of the contiguous United States updated for 2019 comes out about 0.75°F cooler than the start of the dataset in 2005:

Source: NOAA’s live online data plotter
The data show above was not plotted by me, nor adjusted in any way. It is entirely NOAA’s, and the fact that 2019 in the USA48 is cooler than 2005 is indisputable. The two large peaks are related to natural El Nino events which warmed not just the USA, but the world.

While the U.S. isn’t the world, and the dataset is shorter than the requisite 30 year period for climate data, the lack of warming in the contiguous United States since 2005 shown in the graph above suggests that the data NOAA and NASA use from the antiquated Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) reflects warmer biases due to urbanization and adjustments to the data."
►All your "research" is confined to right wing sources
Yes you keep saying that.

All my "right wing source" did in this instance was point out NOAA's own data (that NOAA itself does not like to publicize) that disproves the headlines, using newer actual highly accurate and unadjusted NOAA data, as opposed to the older, urban heat sink perverted and adjusted numbers that is used to generate the Hysteric "world on fire" headlines.
► Well, Australia's on fire, and Venice is underwater, and 2019 is the hottest year on record.

So basically, you're just reading a numbskull who's paid by the heartland Institute to pore over the minutia of statistics and give you something else to think about.
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by psk836 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:49 am

Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:15 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:58 am
If you use the cooked books.

If you use the newest USCRN completely unbiased and unmanipulated data, well, not so much.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/15/ ... 5-for-usa/

"While we are on that subject of datasets and small temperature differences, here is a bit of inconvenient data that never gets mentioned.

NOAA’s U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) has the best quality climate data on the planet, yet it never gets mentioned in the NOAA/NASA press releases. Commissioned in 2005, it has the most accurate, unbiased, and un-adjusted data of any climate dataset.

The USCRN has no biases, and no need for adjustments, and in my opinion represents a ground truth for climate change.

In this graph of the contiguous United States updated for 2019 comes out about 0.75°F cooler than the start of the dataset in 2005:

Source: NOAA’s live online data plotter
The data show above was not plotted by me, nor adjusted in any way. It is entirely NOAA’s, and the fact that 2019 in the USA48 is cooler than 2005 is indisputable. The two large peaks are related to natural El Nino events which warmed not just the USA, but the world.

While the U.S. isn’t the world, and the dataset is shorter than the requisite 30 year period for climate data, the lack of warming in the contiguous United States since 2005 shown in the graph above suggests that the data NOAA and NASA use from the antiquated Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) reflects warmer biases due to urbanization and adjustments to the data."
►All your "research" is confined to right wing sources
Yes you keep saying that.

All my "right wing source" did in this instance was point out NOAA's own data (that NOAA itself does not like to publicize) that disproves the headlines, using newer actual highly accurate and unadjusted NOAA data, as opposed to the older, urban heat sink perverted and adjusted numbers that is used to generate the Hysteric "world on fire" headlines.
► Well, Australia's on fire, and Venice is underwater, and 2019 is the hottest year on record.

So basically, you're just reading a numbskull who's paid by the heartland Institute to pore over the minutia of statistics and give you something else to think about.
That pesky actual unadultered data that messes with the narrative. I know, what a numbskull.

Meanwhile what do you suppose all the people who are providing you your modified, massaged, altered, and adjusted numbers are being paid? Guess what? It's in the tens of billions and it has become an unstoppable powerhouse global industry.
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by psk836 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:01 pm

Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:15 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:58 am
If you use the cooked books.

If you use the newest USCRN completely unbiased and unmanipulated data, well, not so much.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/15/ ... 5-for-usa/

"While we are on that subject of datasets and small temperature differences, here is a bit of inconvenient data that never gets mentioned.

NOAA’s U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) has the best quality climate data on the planet, yet it never gets mentioned in the NOAA/NASA press releases. Commissioned in 2005, it has the most accurate, unbiased, and un-adjusted data of any climate dataset.

The USCRN has no biases, and no need for adjustments, and in my opinion represents a ground truth for climate change.

In this graph of the contiguous United States updated for 2019 comes out about 0.75°F cooler than the start of the dataset in 2005:

Source: NOAA’s live online data plotter
The data show above was not plotted by me, nor adjusted in any way. It is entirely NOAA’s, and the fact that 2019 in the USA48 is cooler than 2005 is indisputable. The two large peaks are related to natural El Nino events which warmed not just the USA, but the world.

While the U.S. isn’t the world, and the dataset is shorter than the requisite 30 year period for climate data, the lack of warming in the contiguous United States since 2005 shown in the graph above suggests that the data NOAA and NASA use from the antiquated Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) reflects warmer biases due to urbanization and adjustments to the data."
►All your "research" is confined to right wing sources
Yes you keep saying that.

All my "right wing source" did in this instance was point out NOAA's own data (that NOAA itself does not like to publicize) that disproves the headlines, using newer actual highly accurate and unadjusted NOAA data, as opposed to the older, urban heat sink perverted and adjusted numbers that is used to generate the Hysteric "world on fire" headlines.
► Well, Australia's on fire, and Venice is underwater, and 2019 is the hottest year on record.

So basically, you're just reading a numbskull who's paid by the heartland Institute to pore over the minutia of statistics and give you something else to think about.
By the way, Australia's wild fires are the result of environmental decisions not to remove underbrush and dead wood, and about 200 people have been arrested for intentionally lighting those fires. And Venice is sinking largely because of tectonic plate movement and human engineering to drain groundwater. And 2019, as I've shown you, is almost 1 degree cooler than just 14 years ago, at least here in the states.

So nothing is as simple or a clear as your headlines would have you believe....
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by Chester Cheesewright » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:04 pm

psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:49 am
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:15 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:58 am
If you use the cooked books.

If you use the newest USCRN completely unbiased and unmanipulated data, well, not so much.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/15/ ... 5-for-usa/

"While we are on that subject of datasets and small temperature differences, here is a bit of inconvenient data that never gets mentioned.

NOAA’s U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) has the best quality climate data on the planet, yet it never gets mentioned in the NOAA/NASA press releases. Commissioned in 2005, it has the most accurate, unbiased, and un-adjusted data of any climate dataset.

The USCRN has no biases, and no need for adjustments, and in my opinion represents a ground truth for climate change.

In this graph of the contiguous United States updated for 2019 comes out about 0.75°F cooler than the start of the dataset in 2005:

Source: NOAA’s live online data plotter
The data show above was not plotted by me, nor adjusted in any way. It is entirely NOAA’s, and the fact that 2019 in the USA48 is cooler than 2005 is indisputable. The two large peaks are related to natural El Nino events which warmed not just the USA, but the world.

While the U.S. isn’t the world, and the dataset is shorter than the requisite 30 year period for climate data, the lack of warming in the contiguous United States since 2005 shown in the graph above suggests that the data NOAA and NASA use from the antiquated Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) reflects warmer biases due to urbanization and adjustments to the data."
►All your "research" is confined to right wing sources
Yes you keep saying that.

All my "right wing source" did in this instance was point out NOAA's own data (that NOAA itself does not like to publicize) that disproves the headlines, using newer actual highly accurate and unadjusted NOAA data, as opposed to the older, urban heat sink perverted and adjusted numbers that is used to generate the Hysteric "world on fire" headlines.
► Well, Australia's on fire, and Venice is underwater, and 2019 is the hottest year on record.

So basically, you're just reading a numbskull who's paid by the heartland Institute to pore over the minutia of statistics and give you something else to think about.
That pesky actual unadultered data that messes with the narrative. I know, what a numbskull.

Meanwhile what do you suppose all the people who are providing you your modified, massaged, altered, and adjusted numbers are being paid? Guess what? It's in the tens of billions and it has become an unstoppable powerhouse global industry.
► Yes I think you told us 2019 wasn't the second hottest year on record. It's so obvious, isn't it?

And you''ve just had another busy day of telling yourself everything you know, because that's all you can do. You're incapable of research
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by barrysoetoro » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:05 pm

Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:15 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:58 am
If you use the cooked books.

If you use the newest USCRN completely unbiased and unmanipulated data, well, not so much.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/15/ ... 5-for-usa/

"While we are on that subject of datasets and small temperature differences, here is a bit of inconvenient data that never gets mentioned.

NOAA’s U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) has the best quality climate data on the planet, yet it never gets mentioned in the NOAA/NASA press releases. Commissioned in 2005, it has the most accurate, unbiased, and un-adjusted data of any climate dataset.

The USCRN has no biases, and no need for adjustments, and in my opinion represents a ground truth for climate change.

In this graph of the contiguous United States updated for 2019 comes out about 0.75°F cooler than the start of the dataset in 2005:

Source: NOAA’s live online data plotter
The data show above was not plotted by me, nor adjusted in any way. It is entirely NOAA’s, and the fact that 2019 in the USA48 is cooler than 2005 is indisputable. The two large peaks are related to natural El Nino events which warmed not just the USA, but the world.

While the U.S. isn’t the world, and the dataset is shorter than the requisite 30 year period for climate data, the lack of warming in the contiguous United States since 2005 shown in the graph above suggests that the data NOAA and NASA use from the antiquated Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) reflects warmer biases due to urbanization and adjustments to the data."
►All your "research" is confined to right wing sources
Yes you keep saying that.

All my "right wing source" did in this instance was point out NOAA's own data (that NOAA itself does not like to publicize) that disproves the headlines, using newer actual highly accurate and unadjusted NOAA data, as opposed to the older, urban heat sink perverted and adjusted numbers that is used to generate the Hysteric "world on fire" headlines.
► Well, Australia's on fire, and Venice is underwater, and 2019 is the hottest year on record.

So basically, you're just reading a numbskull who's paid by the heartland Institute to pore over the minutia of statistics and give you something else to think about.
Chimpo, what is your point? What is it that you want done?
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by Evil » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:09 pm

psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:01 pm
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:15 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:58 am
If you use the cooked books.

If you use the newest USCRN completely unbiased and unmanipulated data, well, not so much.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/15/ ... 5-for-usa/

"While we are on that subject of datasets and small temperature differences, here is a bit of inconvenient data that never gets mentioned.

NOAA’s U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) has the best quality climate data on the planet, yet it never gets mentioned in the NOAA/NASA press releases. Commissioned in 2005, it has the most accurate, unbiased, and un-adjusted data of any climate dataset.

The USCRN has no biases, and no need for adjustments, and in my opinion represents a ground truth for climate change.

In this graph of the contiguous United States updated for 2019 comes out about 0.75°F cooler than the start of the dataset in 2005:

Source: NOAA’s live online data plotter
The data show above was not plotted by me, nor adjusted in any way. It is entirely NOAA’s, and the fact that 2019 in the USA48 is cooler than 2005 is indisputable. The two large peaks are related to natural El Nino events which warmed not just the USA, but the world.

While the U.S. isn’t the world, and the dataset is shorter than the requisite 30 year period for climate data, the lack of warming in the contiguous United States since 2005 shown in the graph above suggests that the data NOAA and NASA use from the antiquated Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) reflects warmer biases due to urbanization and adjustments to the data."
►All your "research" is confined to right wing sources
Yes you keep saying that.

All my "right wing source" did in this instance was point out NOAA's own data (that NOAA itself does not like to publicize) that disproves the headlines, using newer actual highly accurate and unadjusted NOAA data, as opposed to the older, urban heat sink perverted and adjusted numbers that is used to generate the Hysteric "world on fire" headlines.
► Well, Australia's on fire, and Venice is underwater, and 2019 is the hottest year on record.

So basically, you're just reading a numbskull who's paid by the heartland Institute to pore over the minutia of statistics and give you something else to think about.
By the way, Australia's wild fires are the result of environmental decisions not to remove underbrush and dead wood, and about 200 people have been arrested for intentionally lighting those fires. And Venice is sinking largely because of tectonic plate movement and human engineering to drain groundwater. And 2019, as I've shown you, is almost 1 degree cooler than just 14 years ago, at least here in the states.

So nothing is as simple or a clear as your headlines would have you believe....
Just as the severity of those brushfires in Australia are not simply due to mismanagement and arson. The number of arson cases are the same as any other year. So what possibly could be the difference this year? Hmmmmm
The US is not the globe. So again it's not as simple or clear as you're presenting it.
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Re: 2019 Is The Second Hottest Year Ever. Honest It Is

Post by Chester Cheesewright » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:10 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:05 pm
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:15 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:09 am
Chester Cheesewright wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:00 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:58 am
If you use the cooked books.

If you use the newest USCRN completely unbiased and unmanipulated data, well, not so much.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/15/ ... 5-for-usa/

"While we are on that subject of datasets and small temperature differences, here is a bit of inconvenient data that never gets mentioned.

NOAA’s U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) has the best quality climate data on the planet, yet it never gets mentioned in the NOAA/NASA press releases. Commissioned in 2005, it has the most accurate, unbiased, and un-adjusted data of any climate dataset.

The USCRN has no biases, and no need for adjustments, and in my opinion represents a ground truth for climate change.

In this graph of the contiguous United States updated for 2019 comes out about 0.75°F cooler than the start of the dataset in 2005:

Source: NOAA’s live online data plotter
The data show above was not plotted by me, nor adjusted in any way. It is entirely NOAA’s, and the fact that 2019 in the USA48 is cooler than 2005 is indisputable. The two large peaks are related to natural El Nino events which warmed not just the USA, but the world.

While the U.S. isn’t the world, and the dataset is shorter than the requisite 30 year period for climate data, the lack of warming in the contiguous United States since 2005 shown in the graph above suggests that the data NOAA and NASA use from the antiquated Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) reflects warmer biases due to urbanization and adjustments to the data."
►All your "research" is confined to right wing sources
Yes you keep saying that.

All my "right wing source" did in this instance was point out NOAA's own data (that NOAA itself does not like to publicize) that disproves the headlines, using newer actual highly accurate and unadjusted NOAA data, as opposed to the older, urban heat sink perverted and adjusted numbers that is used to generate the Hysteric "world on fire" headlines.
► Well, Australia's on fire, and Venice is underwater, and 2019 is the hottest year on record.

So basically, you're just reading a numbskull who's paid by the heartland Institute to pore over the minutia of statistics and give you something else to think about.
Chimpo, what is your point? What is it that you want done?
► To halt global warming?
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