America’s Red State Death Trip

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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

Post by DallasDimeBags » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:31 pm

lust4beer wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:22 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:39 pm
lust4beer wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:33 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:52 am
Why does falling life expectancy track political orientation?
By Paul Krugman


“E pluribus unum” — out of many, one — is one of America’s traditional mottos. And you might think it would be reflected in reality. We aren’t, after all, just united politically. We share a common language; the unrestricted movement of goods, services and people is guaranteed by the Constitution. Shouldn’t this lead to convergence in the way we live and think?

In fact, however, the past few decades have been marked by growing divergence among regions along several dimensions, all closely correlated. In particular, the political divide is also, increasingly, an economic divide. As The Times’s Tom Edsall put it in a recent article, “red and blue voters live in different economies.”

What Edsall didn’t point out is that red and blue voters don’t just live differently, they also die differently.

About the living part: Democratic-leaning areas used to look similar to Republican-leaning areas in terms of productivity, income and education. But they have been rapidly diverging, with blue areas getting more productive, richer and better educated. In the close presidential election of 2000, counties that supported Al Gore over George W. Bush accounted for only a little over half the nation’s economic output. In the close election of 2016, counties that supported Hillary Clinton accounted for 64 percent of output, almost twice the share of Trump country.

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The thing is, the red-blue divide isn’t just about money. It’s also, increasingly, a matter of life and death.

Back in the Bush years I used to encounter people who insisted that the United States had the world’s longest life expectancy. They hadn’t looked at the data, they just assumed that America was No. 1 on everything. Even then it wasn’t true: U.S. life expectancy has been below that of other advanced countries for a long time.

The death gap has, however, widened considerably in recent years as a result of increased mortality among working-age Americans. This rise in mortality has, in turn, been largely a result of rising “deaths of despair”: drug overdoses, suicides and alcohol. And the rise in these deaths has led to declining overall life expectancy for the past few years.

What I haven’t seen emphasized is the divergence in life expectancy within the United States and its close correlation with political orientation. True, a recent Times article on the phenomenon noted that life expectancy in coastal metropolitan areas is still rising about as fast as life expectancy in other advanced countries. But the regional divide goes deeper than that.

A 2018 article in The Journal of the American Medical Association looked at changes in health and life expectancy in U.S. states between 1990 and 2016. The divergence among states is striking. And as I said, it’s closely correlated with political orientation.

I looked at states that voted for Donald Trump versus states that voted for Clinton in 2016, and calculated average life expectancy weighted by their 2016 population. In 1990, today’s red and blue states had almost the same life expectancy. Since then, however, life expectancy in Clinton states has risen more or less in line with other advanced countries, compared with almost no gain in Trump country. At this point, blue-state residents can expect to live more than four years longer than their red-state counterparts.

Is this all about deaths of despair in the eastern heartland? No. Consider our four most populous states. In 1990, Texas and Florida had higher life expectancy than New York and almost matched California; today, they’re far behind.

What explains the divergence? Public policy certainly plays some role, especially in recent years, as blue states expanded Medicaid and drastically reduced the number of uninsured, while most red states didn’t. The growing gap in educational levels has also surely played a role: Better-educated people tend to be healthier than the less educated.

Beyond that, there has been a striking divergence in behavior and lifestyle that must be affecting mortality. For example, the prevalence of obesity has soared all across America since 1990, but obesity rates are significantly higher in red states.

One thing that’s clear, however, is that the facts are utterly inconsistent with the conservative diagnosis of what ails America.

Conservative figures like William Barr, the attorney general, look at rising mortality in America and attribute it to the collapse of traditional values — a collapse they attribute, in turn, to the evil machinations of “militant secularists.” The secularist assault on traditional values, Barr claims, lies behind “soaring suicide rates,” rising violence and “a deadly drug epidemic.”

So something bad is definitely happening to American society. But the conservative diagnosis of that problem is wrong — dead wrong.
It’s all that fried food , red meat and moonshine
I know I certainly like my fried fish,Fried Deer steak and occasionally fried chicken as well as prime steaks and low fat content hamburger meat (Think 90/10 or leaner)but I literally am not aware of anyone around here who actually drinks moonshine except this one old man who is in his 70's.
Fried deer stake?!?!!!

I actually had “moonshine” from West Virginia

Knocked me on my butt after a few drinks
"Fried deer stake?!?!!!"

Deer tenderloin fried like a "country fried steak"
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

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I drank some WV shine when I was in WV once and I was on my hands and knees on a dirt farm road for a little while

:saoul: :vomi:
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

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Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 pm
I drank some WV shine when I was in WV once and I was on my hands and knees on a dirt farm road for a little while

:saoul: :vomi:
That's what I remember.
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

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nolaxride wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:57 pm
Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 pm
I drank some WV shine when I was in WV once and I was on my hands and knees on a dirt farm road for a little while

:saoul: :vomi:
That's what I remember.
We had all eaten huge meals at the farmhouse and then went swimming in a farm pond with a bunch of nude hippie chicks. Miracle nobody drowned

:d:
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

Post by nolaxride » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:07 pm

Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:01 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:57 pm
Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 pm
I drank some WV shine when I was in WV once and I was on my hands and knees on a dirt farm road for a little while

:saoul: :vomi:
That's what I remember.
We had all eaten huge meals at the farmhouse and then went swimming in a farm pond with a bunch of nude hippie chicks. Miracle nobody drowned

:d:
LOL... I was dating a woman whose father was a Baptist minister in Gassville, AR. it took a while, but after he figured he could trust me, he invited me to the back porch and shared his best. Turns out he was also one of the biggest moonshiners in the county. We still chat from time to time. Great guy.
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

Post by lust4beer » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:27 pm

Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:01 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:57 pm
Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 pm
I drank some WV shine when I was in WV once and I was on my hands and knees on a dirt farm road for a little while

:saoul: :vomi:
That's what I remember.
We had all eaten huge meals at the farmhouse and then went swimming in a farm pond with a bunch of nude hippie chicks. Miracle nobody drowned

:d:
At least Hippies are good for something
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

Post by thelionofthenorth » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:39 pm

Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:01 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:57 pm
Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 pm
I drank some WV shine when I was in WV once and I was on my hands and knees on a dirt farm road for a little while

:saoul: :vomi:
That's what I remember.
We had all eaten huge meals at the farmhouse and then went swimming in a farm pond with a bunch of nude hippie chicks. Miracle nobody drowned

:d:
Just run up your snorkel.
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

Post by lust4beer » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:02 pm

Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 pm
I drank some WV shine when I was in WV once and I was on my hands and knees on a dirt farm road for a little while

:saoul: :vomi:
I had a buddy from WV in college

His high school friends came to visit, brought that poison

I didn’t want anything to do with it

Questioned my manhood

Called me a “soft California surfer boy”

2 hours later

Worshipping the porcelain God

Hillbilly scum
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

Post by barrysoetoro » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:05 pm

lust4beer wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:22 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:39 pm
lust4beer wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:33 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:52 am
Why does falling life expectancy track political orientation?
By Paul Krugman


“E pluribus unum” — out of many, one — is one of America’s traditional mottos. And you might think it would be reflected in reality. We aren’t, after all, just united politically. We share a common language; the unrestricted movement of goods, services and people is guaranteed by the Constitution. Shouldn’t this lead to convergence in the way we live and think?

In fact, however, the past few decades have been marked by growing divergence among regions along several dimensions, all closely correlated. In particular, the political divide is also, increasingly, an economic divide. As The Times’s Tom Edsall put it in a recent article, “red and blue voters live in different economies.”

What Edsall didn’t point out is that red and blue voters don’t just live differently, they also die differently.

About the living part: Democratic-leaning areas used to look similar to Republican-leaning areas in terms of productivity, income and education. But they have been rapidly diverging, with blue areas getting more productive, richer and better educated. In the close presidential election of 2000, counties that supported Al Gore over George W. Bush accounted for only a little over half the nation’s economic output. In the close election of 2016, counties that supported Hillary Clinton accounted for 64 percent of output, almost twice the share of Trump country.

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The thing is, the red-blue divide isn’t just about money. It’s also, increasingly, a matter of life and death.

Back in the Bush years I used to encounter people who insisted that the United States had the world’s longest life expectancy. They hadn’t looked at the data, they just assumed that America was No. 1 on everything. Even then it wasn’t true: U.S. life expectancy has been below that of other advanced countries for a long time.

The death gap has, however, widened considerably in recent years as a result of increased mortality among working-age Americans. This rise in mortality has, in turn, been largely a result of rising “deaths of despair”: drug overdoses, suicides and alcohol. And the rise in these deaths has led to declining overall life expectancy for the past few years.

What I haven’t seen emphasized is the divergence in life expectancy within the United States and its close correlation with political orientation. True, a recent Times article on the phenomenon noted that life expectancy in coastal metropolitan areas is still rising about as fast as life expectancy in other advanced countries. But the regional divide goes deeper than that.

A 2018 article in The Journal of the American Medical Association looked at changes in health and life expectancy in U.S. states between 1990 and 2016. The divergence among states is striking. And as I said, it’s closely correlated with political orientation.

I looked at states that voted for Donald Trump versus states that voted for Clinton in 2016, and calculated average life expectancy weighted by their 2016 population. In 1990, today’s red and blue states had almost the same life expectancy. Since then, however, life expectancy in Clinton states has risen more or less in line with other advanced countries, compared with almost no gain in Trump country. At this point, blue-state residents can expect to live more than four years longer than their red-state counterparts.

Is this all about deaths of despair in the eastern heartland? No. Consider our four most populous states. In 1990, Texas and Florida had higher life expectancy than New York and almost matched California; today, they’re far behind.

What explains the divergence? Public policy certainly plays some role, especially in recent years, as blue states expanded Medicaid and drastically reduced the number of uninsured, while most red states didn’t. The growing gap in educational levels has also surely played a role: Better-educated people tend to be healthier than the less educated.

Beyond that, there has been a striking divergence in behavior and lifestyle that must be affecting mortality. For example, the prevalence of obesity has soared all across America since 1990, but obesity rates are significantly higher in red states.

One thing that’s clear, however, is that the facts are utterly inconsistent with the conservative diagnosis of what ails America.

Conservative figures like William Barr, the attorney general, look at rising mortality in America and attribute it to the collapse of traditional values — a collapse they attribute, in turn, to the evil machinations of “militant secularists.” The secularist assault on traditional values, Barr claims, lies behind “soaring suicide rates,” rising violence and “a deadly drug epidemic.”

So something bad is definitely happening to American society. But the conservative diagnosis of that problem is wrong — dead wrong.
It’s all that fried food , red meat and moonshine
I know I certainly like my fried fish,Fried Deer steak and occasionally fried chicken as well as prime steaks and low fat content hamburger meat (Think 90/10 or leaner)but I literally am not aware of anyone around here who actually drinks moonshine except this one old man who is in his 70's.
Fried deer stake?!?!!!

I actually had “moonshine” from West Virginia

Knocked me on my butt after a few drinks
That would explain a lot.
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Re: America’s Red State Death Trip

Post by Pete » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:02 am

thelionofthenorth wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:39 pm
Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:01 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:57 pm
Pete wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 pm
I drank some WV shine when I was in WV once and I was on my hands and knees on a dirt farm road for a little while

:saoul: :vomi:
That's what I remember.
We had all eaten huge meals at the farmhouse and then went swimming in a farm pond with a bunch of nude hippie chicks. Miracle nobody drowned

:d:
Just run up your snorkel.


My snorkel was up but since I was doing the breast stroke, it was pointed down :d:
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