Private Wealth Converted To Govt Spoils

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Re: Private Wealth Converted To Govt Spoils

Post by stuporstitionist » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:17 pm

psk836 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:42 am
stuporstitionist wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:20 am
psk836 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:00 am
So a $3000 annual contribution pays $350,000 annual pension.
idiot. The people getting $350,000 pensions made 500K/year at their job (University Chancellors, etc).

Try the math on a $55,000/year contribution (11% of 500K) for 20 years with the magic of compound interest. Of course you also need to factor in whatever the government (as employer) contributes.

psk836 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:00 am

Try getting that in the private sector.
I'd love to, but hardly any private sector firms offer pensions any more. Companies have moves from defined benefit plans to defined contribution plans.

psk836 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:00 am

How about we forgo that massive government pension system and put them in the same social security ripoff us private sector suckers get.
1) SS isn't a ripoff.
2) SS is only a part of private sector retirement. It was never meant to be a full retirement plan.
Nobody was "earning" $500,000 per year over their entire career. The magic of government pensions is they typically pay based on average salary over the last five years of employment, and government employees therefore rack up hundreds of hours of overtime during their last five years to max out their pensions.

So state employees get up to $350,000 per year as a payoff for call it $1,000,000 in contributions plus interest. Meanwhile I will have paid in close to $1 million in contributions plus interest into social security to get something like $16,000 per year back. Tell me again how this is comparable.
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psk836 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:00 am

Nobody was "earning" $500,000 per year over their entire career.
Fair enough.

BTW, in both of our examples we've used employee contributions and the magic of compound interest. What have we left out? Oh yeah! We haven't seen a single taxpayer dollar included yet.
psk836 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:00 am
The magic of government pensions is they typically pay based on average salary over the last five years of employment,
ok.
psk836 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:00 am

and government employees therefore rack up hundreds of hours of overtime during their last five years to max out their pensions.
1) Employees can only rack up overtime when the employer allows it.
2) Many government workers don't get overtime (teachers, for example).
3) Some public sector jobs require mandatory overtime - one example are the Police in my town.(cheaper than an additional hire).
4) the people working massive overtime aren't the ones with a $350K/year pension.



$60K/year for 20 years at 7% will generate the funds necessary to support a $350K/year pension.
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