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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm


They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm


Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm


Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
We don't have the PPACA anymore. Without the individual mandate it can't work. No one said everything was fixed. Some were honest in saying that it was a step towards single-payer which is the goal.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:53 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm


Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
We don't have the PPACA anymore. Without the individual mandate it can't work. No one said everything was fixed. Some were honest in saying that it was a step towards single-payer which is the goal.
Their are a great many people that like their insurance and want to keep it. Come up with a plan that leaves them out of it and maybe it will be more popular. How about Medicare for some more.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:56 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:53 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm


Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
We don't have the PPACA anymore. Without the individual mandate it can't work. No one said everything was fixed. Some were honest in saying that it was a step towards single-payer which is the goal.
Their are a great many people that like their insurance and want to keep it. Come up with a plan that leaves them out of it and maybe it will be more popular. How about Medicare for some more.
There is utility in saving lives and not ruining people financially. The Medicare for all plan is quite popular. I would recommend getting comfortable with the idea that for-profit health care is going away. It's inevitable. We may first get a public option depending on who gets elected, but single payer is coming.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:00 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:56 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:53 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm


Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
We don't have the PPACA anymore. Without the individual mandate it can't work. No one said everything was fixed. Some were honest in saying that it was a step towards single-payer which is the goal.
Their are a great many people that like their insurance and want to keep it. Come up with a plan that leaves them out of it and maybe it will be more popular. How about Medicare for some more.
There is utility in saving lives and not ruining people financially. The Medicare for all plan is quite popular. I would recommend getting comfortable with the idea that for-profit health care is going away. It's inevitable. We may first get a public option depending on who gets elected, but single payer is coming.
Tax credits to pay for insurance premiums makes more sense. We don’t have to completely change our Heath care system to make it more affordable for the lower middle class and the poor. I still think people should be able to choose what level of care they want if any.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:03 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:00 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:56 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:53 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm


You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
We don't have the PPACA anymore. Without the individual mandate it can't work. No one said everything was fixed. Some were honest in saying that it was a step towards single-payer which is the goal.
Their are a great many people that like their insurance and want to keep it. Come up with a plan that leaves them out of it and maybe it will be more popular. How about Medicare for some more.
There is utility in saving lives and not ruining people financially. The Medicare for all plan is quite popular. I would recommend getting comfortable with the idea that for-profit health care is going away. It's inevitable. We may first get a public option depending on who gets elected, but single payer is coming.
Tax credits to pay for insurance premiums makes more sense. We don’t have to completely change our Heath care system to make it more affordable for the lower middle class and the poor. I still think people should be able to choose what level of care they want if any.
We do have to completely change it. For-profit doesn't work in health care. It can't. The incentive isn't in good outcomes. That's a part of the reason why we pay so much more per capita than other industrialized nations. If the incentive were to cure rather than treat the cost would come way down.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:08 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:03 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:00 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:56 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:53 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm


For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
We don't have the PPACA anymore. Without the individual mandate it can't work. No one said everything was fixed. Some were honest in saying that it was a step towards single-payer which is the goal.
Their are a great many people that like their insurance and want to keep it. Come up with a plan that leaves them out of it and maybe it will be more popular. How about Medicare for some more.
There is utility in saving lives and not ruining people financially. The Medicare for all plan is quite popular. I would recommend getting comfortable with the idea that for-profit health care is going away. It's inevitable. We may first get a public option depending on who gets elected, but single payer is coming.
Tax credits to pay for insurance premiums makes more sense. We don’t have to completely change our Heath care system to make it more affordable for the lower middle class and the poor. I still think people should be able to choose what level of care they want if any.
We do have to completely change it. For-profit doesn't work in health care. It can't. The incentive isn't in good outcomes. That's a part of the reason why we pay so much more per capita than other industrialized nations. If the incentive were to cure rather than treat the cost would come way down.
I think that’s overly optimistic. Tens of Millions like their healthcare and they want to keep. Why do they have to lose the right to choose ? The government forcing a lower standard of care on people against their will. That is the anti-liberty aspect of it .
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:12 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:08 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:03 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:00 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:56 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:53 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm


No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
We don't have the PPACA anymore. Without the individual mandate it can't work. No one said everything was fixed. Some were honest in saying that it was a step towards single-payer which is the goal.
Their are a great many people that like their insurance and want to keep it. Come up with a plan that leaves them out of it and maybe it will be more popular. How about Medicare for some more.
There is utility in saving lives and not ruining people financially. The Medicare for all plan is quite popular. I would recommend getting comfortable with the idea that for-profit health care is going away. It's inevitable. We may first get a public option depending on who gets elected, but single payer is coming.
Tax credits to pay for insurance premiums makes more sense. We don’t have to completely change our Heath care system to make it more affordable for the lower middle class and the poor. I still think people should be able to choose what level of care they want if any.
We do have to completely change it. For-profit doesn't work in health care. It can't. The incentive isn't in good outcomes. That's a part of the reason why we pay so much more per capita than other industrialized nations. If the incentive were to cure rather than treat the cost would come way down.
I think that’s overly optimistic. Tens of Millions like their healthcare and they want to keep. Why do they have to lose the right to choose ? The government forcing a lower standard of care on people against their will. That is the anti-liberty aspect of it .
They haven't even seen what they will be offered yet. A more efficient system that costs less with a high standard of care will be beneficial to all. We don't get a choice on everything in life. I pay taxes to fund schools even though I don't have kids. We don't get to choose which cop patrols our neighborhood or which fireman puts out the fire on our property. In all cases, for good reason. Health care is no different. People should say they don't want something when they don't even know what it is.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:18 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:12 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:08 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:03 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:00 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:56 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:53 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:42 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm


I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
I see. So it's the status quo for you. If some middle class shmuck is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer then it's their problem if they die or go into financial ruin. Thank you for your honesty.
Nah we have Obama care . Everything is fixed . I mean that’s what the Democrats said when they passed it. :nesaitpas:
We don't have the PPACA anymore. Without the individual mandate it can't work. No one said everything was fixed. Some were honest in saying that it was a step towards single-payer which is the goal.
Their are a great many people that like their insurance and want to keep it. Come up with a plan that leaves them out of it and maybe it will be more popular. How about Medicare for some more.
There is utility in saving lives and not ruining people financially. The Medicare for all plan is quite popular. I would recommend getting comfortable with the idea that for-profit health care is going away. It's inevitable. We may first get a public option depending on who gets elected, but single payer is coming.
Tax credits to pay for insurance premiums makes more sense. We don’t have to completely change our Heath care system to make it more affordable for the lower middle class and the poor. I still think people should be able to choose what level of care they want if any.
We do have to completely change it. For-profit doesn't work in health care. It can't. The incentive isn't in good outcomes. That's a part of the reason why we pay so much more per capita than other industrialized nations. If the incentive were to cure rather than treat the cost would come way down.
I think that’s overly optimistic. Tens of Millions like their healthcare and they want to keep. Why do they have to lose the right to choose ? The government forcing a lower standard of care on people against their will. That is the anti-liberty aspect of it .
They haven't even seen what they will be offered yet. A more efficient system that costs less with a high standard of care will be beneficial to all. We don't get a choice on everything in life. I pay taxes to fund schools even though I don't have kids. We don't get to choose which cop patrols our neighborhood or which fireman puts out the fire on our property. In all cases, for good reason. Health care is no different. People should say they don't want something when they don't even know what it is.
If you don’t like the community you live in you can move to one that you do. The federal government should be taking choice away from its citizens and forcing an inferior system on them. Medicare is inferior to good private insurance. Let people choose what they want if anything.
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