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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by psk836 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:10 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:57 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:46 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 am
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:52 am


You and about 150 million others.

The other 150 million though might be a problem.
If you're talking about Medicare for all and gun control then your numbers are way off.
Please expand on that.
Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
What I see is that there is a big group of people like KC and me that embrace liberty and individual responsibility, but I also acknowledge that there is a large group like you that wants guaranteed security and centralized decision making.
Open your eyes. We're all for liberty and personal responsibility. There are things that our beyond anyone's control and in a nation as wealthy as this one there is no sane reason why people have to die or go into financial ruin because of them. The for-profit model in health care has failed miserably. You don't lose liberty because you have to show you're not a violent criminal or mentally unstable to own a gun. Would you get rid of all gun-control laws? You've lost liberty with each one, right?
...organized society originates with the containment of anarchy. So yeah, I'm for it. So yes again, I am for rules, limits, regulations, and I am pro government. I just happen to believe that it is equally vital to a "free" society to also contain government excess. Neither of our arguments hue to the extremes of either pole; mine is just somewhat far to the right toward less government, and yours has drifted somewhat far to the left in favor of more government.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 am
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:52 am


You and about 150 million others.

The other 150 million though might be a problem.
If you're talking about Medicare for all and gun control then your numbers are way off.
Please expand on that.
Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:12 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:55 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:46 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 am
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:52 am


You and about 150 million others.

The other 150 million though might be a problem.
If you're talking about Medicare for all and gun control then your numbers are way off.
Please expand on that.
Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
What I see is that there is a big group of people like KC and me that embrace liberty and individual responsibility, but I also acknowledge that there is a large group like you that wants guaranteed security and centralized decision making.
Is radically far-left as evil has become, can you believe that he voted for Gary Johnson?
Why wouldn’t I .
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:15 pm

psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:10 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:57 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:46 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 am


If you're talking about Medicare for all and gun control then your numbers are way off.
Please expand on that.
Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
What I see is that there is a big group of people like KC and me that embrace liberty and individual responsibility, but I also acknowledge that there is a large group like you that wants guaranteed security and centralized decision making.
Open your eyes. We're all for liberty and personal responsibility. There are things that our beyond anyone's control and in a nation as wealthy as this one there is no sane reason why people have to die or go into financial ruin because of them. The for-profit model in health care has failed miserably. You don't lose liberty because you have to show you're not a violent criminal or mentally unstable to own a gun. Would you get rid of all gun-control laws? You've lost liberty with each one, right?
...organized society originates with the containment of anarchy. So yeah, I'm for it. So yes again, I am for rules, limits, regulations, and I am pro government. I just happen to believe that it is equally vital to a "free" society to also contain government excess. Neither of our arguments hue to the extremes of either pole; mine is just somewhat far to the right toward less government, and yours has drifted somewhat far to the left in favor of more government.
Gov't is a necessary function of a free, secure, and civilized society. When I see the private sector fail at something and we have examples of gov't succeeding then what is needed is simply a logical conclusion. We didn't lose liberty with public utilities or first responders and we won't with Medicare for all and stricter gun laws.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:16 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:12 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:55 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:46 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 am


If you're talking about Medicare for all and gun control then your numbers are way off.
Please expand on that.
Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
What I see is that there is a big group of people like KC and me that embrace liberty and individual responsibility, but I also acknowledge that there is a large group like you that wants guaranteed security and centralized decision making.
Is radically far-left as evil has become, can you believe that he voted for Gary Johnson?
Why wouldn’t I .
Run those three again and I'll vote for him again.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 am


If you're talking about Medicare for all and gun control then your numbers are way off.
Please expand on that.
Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am


Please expand on that.
Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:26 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:16 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:12 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:55 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:46 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am


Please expand on that.
Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
What I see is that there is a big group of people like KC and me that embrace liberty and individual responsibility, but I also acknowledge that there is a large group like you that wants guaranteed security and centralized decision making.
Is radically far-left as evil has become, can you believe that he voted for Gary Johnson?
Why wouldn’t I .
Run those three again and I'll vote for him again.
Run those three again and I won’t vote for any of them.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by evilconempire » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:54 am


Both poll much higher than 50%
Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
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Re: Democrats Agree. They Are Coming For Our Freedoms

Post by KC_ » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:40 pm

evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:21 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:11 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:33 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:31 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 pm
psk836 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
evilconempire wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:29 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm


Polls change over time . Luckily we don’t govern by them .
They show us trends and they shouldn't be ignored.
Kind of the gist of my first response to KC....
Sorry, I didn't get that from it. I saw you splitting it in half, which it's not, with the trend going in favor of them both. This is how this country works. We have to endure at least 4 years of a power-hungry, corrupt ego-maniac and then you're going to have to endure something, eg Medicare for all and better gun control. The pendulum will never stop swinging.
Once we get Medicare for all and gun control we aren’t going back. The government will only get bigger and more onerous as our liberty slips away.
Both need to be done. The current system isn't working and neither our our gun laws.
Not really. Our current system works fine. The price for Liberty has always been high.
You consider paying nearly twice as much per capita for health care than most of the other industrialized nations is working fine? People dying because they have to choose between food or insulin is working fine? People going into financial ruin because of a life-threatening diagnosis is working fine?
For most their situation is good or better. It was never the case in this country that all things were guaranteed to all people. This is still the best country in the world and the only one left that values liberty above all else.
No one's health care situation is getting better. Many might be satisfied with what they have, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. There is no greater loss of liberty than death. People shouldn't have to die because they can't make enough money to pay for health care in system that's more expensive than most other industrialized countries. No one has said that all things are guaranteed to all people in this country.
I don’t think we should lower the level of healthcare for most to satisfy the needs of the few. We already have Medicaid for the poor. There are no financial guarantees in life, but the Constitution does guarantee us Liberty.
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