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Wiretapping expands under President Clinton, besides his apologists rhetoric...

Post by barrysoetoro » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:58 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... ee4d7cc1ff

The Clinton administration has sharply increased use of federal telephone wiretaps and other electronic surveillance in the United States since taking office, and official estimates foresee that the growth will continue in coming years.

The expansion has been driven in large part by stepped-up use of electronic eavesdropping against narcotics traffickers. In addition, a substantial rise in spending on federal law enforcement has overridden the chief constraint on use of wiretaps -- their relatively high cost.

Civil rights and privacy advocates are unhappy with the trend, but have been able to do little in the face of bipartisan support in Congress for more extensive use of wiretaps and room bugs.

While federal electronic surveillance has been expanding for more than a decade, the trend has accelerated under the Clinton administration. Last year marked the first time federal courts approved more wiretaps than all state courts combined.

"We are up 30 to 40 percent this year," said Frederick D. Hess, who runs the Justice Department office that approves applications for court-ordered wiretaps. This maintains the pace set in 1993, when the number of federal surveillance orders rose 32 percent.

In 1992, the last year of the Bush administration, there were 340 federal court orders permitting electronic surveillance in criminal cases. That number rose to 672 last year, officials say, and the total for 1996 almost certainly will rise above 700.

Those figures do not include "national security" wiretap orders, obtained under intelligence legislation, which also have been rising dramatically.

Preparing for expected continued growth in surveillance of domestic criminals, the Justice Department is buying additional high-tech equipment, developing new eavesdropping techniques and adding support personnel.

Twenty-eight years after Congress opened the door to wiretapping with a narrowly drawn statute, electronic surveillance has become so routine that it has been years since a federal district court judge turned down a prosecutor's application for a wiretap order, according to the 1995 Wiretap Report issued by the administrative office of the U.S. Courts.

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Post by nolaxride » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 pm

You just can't help stepping in it... Those are all wiretaps that are approved by a regular court. There were no secret FISA courts back then.

You do know what a FISA court is, right?
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Post by barrysoetoro » Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:53 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 pm
You just can't help stepping in it... Those are all wiretaps that are approved by a regular court. There were no secret FISA courts back then.

You do know what a FISA court is, right?
I said wiretapping EXPANDED under Clintoon, which you denied. Clintoon handed EVERY attack over to law enforcement, so what does that matter??

And boots on the ground and kicking in doors is the answer - not "listening in".
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Post by barrysoetoro » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:29 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... ae9274f1fa


As you can see in this article, Clinton diddled around during his 8 years of attacks. He did not wage a real war and defend America.


1. May 1998: Tarnak Farms raid plan rejected

The CIA planned hard on an effort to capture bin Laden and to bring him to the United States for a trial. But at the last minute the CIA senior management lost its nerve and apparently never brought the plan to Clinton for a decision.

From the 9/11 Commission report:

A compound of about 80 concrete or mud-brick buildings surrounded by a 10-foot wall, Tarnak Farms was located in an isolated desert area on the outskirts of the Kandahar airport. CIA officers were able to map the entire site, identifying the houses that belonged to Bin Laden’s wives and the one where Bin Laden himself was most likely to sleep. Working with the tribals, they drew up plans for the raid. They ran two complete rehearsals in the United States during the fall of 1997. By early 1998, planners at the Counterterrorist Center were ready to come back to the White House to seek formal approval…

One group of tribals would subdue the guards, enter Tarnak Farms stealthily, grab Bin Laden, take him to a desert site outside Kandahar, and turn him over to a second group. This second group of tribals would take him to a desert landing zone …From there, a CIA plane would take him to New York, an Arab capital, or wherever he was to be arraigned. Briefing papers prepared by the Counterterrorist Center acknowledged that hitches might develop. People might be killed, and Bin Laden’s supporters might retaliate, perhaps taking U.S. citizens in Kandahar hostage.

But the briefing papers also noted that there was risk in not acting. “Sooner or later,” they said, “Bin Laden will attack U.S. interests, perhaps using WMD [weapons of mass destruction].” The CIA planners conducted their third complete rehearsal in March…The plan had now been modified so that the tribals would keep Bin Laden in a hiding place for up to a month before turning him over to the United States-thereby increasing the chances of keeping the U.S. hand out of sight. …On May 18, CIA’s managers reviewed a draft Memorandum of Notification (MON), a legal document authorizing the capture operation. A 1986 presidential finding had authorized worldwide covert action against terrorism and probably provided adequate authority. But mindful of the old “rogue elephant” charge, senior CIA managers may have wanted something on paper to show that they were not acting on their own….

Discussion of this memorandum brought to the surface an unease about paramilitary covert action that had become ingrained, at least among some CIA senior managers. Despite misgivings, the CIA leadership cleared the draft memorandum and sent it on to the National Security Council.

From May 20 to 24, the CIA ran a final, graded rehearsal of the operation, spread over three time zones, even bringing in personnel from the region. The FBI also participated. The rehearsal went well. The Counterterrorist Center planned to brief cabinet-level principals and their deputies the following week, giving June 23 as the date for the raid, with Bin Laden to be brought out of Afghanistan no later than July 23.

On May 20, Director Tenet discussed the high risk of the operation with Berger and his deputies, warning that people might be killed, including Bin Laden. Success was to be defined as the exfiltration of Bin Laden out of Afghanistan. A meeting of principals was scheduled for May 29 to decide whether the operation should go ahead. But the principals did not meet…The plan was never presented to the White House for a decision.

Working-level CIA officers were disappointed….No capture plan before 9/11 ever again attained the same level of detail and preparation. The tribals’ reported readiness to act diminished. And Bin Laden’s security precautions and defenses became more elaborate and formidable.
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Post by antilib » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:47 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:53 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 pm
You just can't help stepping in it... Those are all wiretaps that are approved by a regular court. There were no secret FISA courts back then.

You do know what a FISA court is, right?
I said wiretapping EXPANDED under Clintoon, which you denied. Clintoon handed EVERY attack over to law enforcement, so what does that matter??

And boots on the ground and kicking in doors is the answer - not "listening in".
he would be supporting you if the wire taps were on a liberal president instead of expanded under a liberal president, a hypocritical phony!!
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Post by nolaxride » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:42 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:53 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 pm
You just can't help stepping in it... Those are all wiretaps that are approved by a regular court. There were no secret FISA courts back then.

You do know what a FISA court is, right?
I said wiretapping EXPANDED under Clintoon, which you denied. Clintoon handed EVERY attack over to law enforcement, so what does that matter??

And boots on the ground and kicking in doors is the answer - not "listening in".
You don't seem to understand the difference between a regular wiretap and a FISA court wiretap. Then again, you do struggle with concepts and numbers.

And yes, terrorism was turned over to law enforcement. That's how things were handled until 9-11. Did you flunk history? Maybe you were napping?
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Post by barrysoetoro » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:50 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:42 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:53 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 pm
You just can't help stepping in it... Those are all wiretaps that are approved by a regular court. There were no secret FISA courts back then.

You do know what a FISA court is, right?
I said wiretapping EXPANDED under Clintoon, which you denied. Clintoon handed EVERY attack over to law enforcement, so what does that matter??

And boots on the ground and kicking in doors is the answer - not "listening in".
You don't seem to understand the difference between a regular wiretap and a FISA court wiretap. Then again, you do struggle with concepts and numbers.

And yes, terrorism was turned over to law enforcement. That's how things were handled until 9-11. Did you flunk history? Maybe you were napping?
WTF would Clinton have done if he got all that???

Well????

Tell us. He diddled for 8 years!!!! You definitely were napping those years.
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Post by nolaxride » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:28 am

barrysoetoro wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:50 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:42 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:53 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 pm
You just can't help stepping in it... Those are all wiretaps that are approved by a regular court. There were no secret FISA courts back then.

You do know what a FISA court is, right?
I said wiretapping EXPANDED under Clintoon, which you denied. Clintoon handed EVERY attack over to law enforcement, so what does that matter??

And boots on the ground and kicking in doors is the answer - not "listening in".
You don't seem to understand the difference between a regular wiretap and a FISA court wiretap. Then again, you do struggle with concepts and numbers.

And yes, terrorism was turned over to law enforcement. That's how things were handled until 9-11. Did you flunk history? Maybe you were napping?
WTF would Clinton have done if he got all that???

Well????

Tell us. He diddled for 8 years!!!! You definitely were napping those years.
Had he gotten the FISA courts he could have started tracking incoming foreign calls. Had he gotten the banking rules he could have prevented the financing they needed. Had the GOP been interested in fighting terrorism 9-11 would not have occurred.
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Post by barrysoetoro » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:00 am

nolaxride wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:28 am
barrysoetoro wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:50 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:42 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:53 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 pm
You just can't help stepping in it... Those are all wiretaps that are approved by a regular court. There were no secret FISA courts back then.

You do know what a FISA court is, right?
I said wiretapping EXPANDED under Clintoon, which you denied. Clintoon handed EVERY attack over to law enforcement, so what does that matter??

And boots on the ground and kicking in doors is the answer - not "listening in".
You don't seem to understand the difference between a regular wiretap and a FISA court wiretap. Then again, you do struggle with concepts and numbers.

And yes, terrorism was turned over to law enforcement. That's how things were handled until 9-11. Did you flunk history? Maybe you were napping?
WTF would Clinton have done if he got all that???

Well????

Tell us. He diddled for 8 years!!!! You definitely were napping those years.
Had he gotten the FISA courts he could have started tracking incoming foreign calls. Had he gotten the banking rules he could have prevented the financing they needed. Had the GOP been interested in fighting terrorism 9-11 would not have occurred.
HE COULD HAVE HE COULD HAVE HE COULD HAVE.... HE COULD HAVE DONE THIS, THAT THE OTHER THING....

WHY DIDNT' HE FIGHT THEM INSTEAD OF HAND IT OVER TO THE FBI YOU DUMBASS??????????? WHY DID HE LET BIN LADEN ESCAPE MULTIPLE TIMES IF HE WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND NOT WORRIED ABOUT PIZZING OFF SOME SAUDI PRINCE????

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE GOP WASN'T INTERESTED???? WAS CLINTOON INTERESTED???? NO!!!!!

SO THE USS COLE BOMBING WAS THE GOP FAULT. AND THE 1998 EMBASSY BOMBINGS, THE KHOBAR TOWERS, WERE ALL THE GOP FAULT AND NOT THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF BUBBA THE DRAFT DODGER!!!

YOU ARE A DUMB F#CK!!!

now show me a link on the 9/11 commission report where if clintoon (the appeaser) got all that 9/11 would have been stopped???
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Post by barrysoetoro » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:01 am

barrysoetoro wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:50 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:42 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:53 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 pm
You just can't help stepping in it... Those are all wiretaps that are approved by a regular court. There were no secret FISA courts back then.

You do know what a FISA court is, right?
I said wiretapping EXPANDED under Clintoon, which you denied. Clintoon handed EVERY attack over to law enforcement, so what does that matter??

And boots on the ground and kicking in doors is the answer - not "listening in".
You don't seem to understand the difference between a regular wiretap and a FISA court wiretap. Then again, you do struggle with concepts and numbers.

And yes, terrorism was turned over to law enforcement. That's how things were handled until 9-11. Did you flunk history? Maybe you were napping?
WTF would Clinton have done if he got all that???

Well????

Tell us. He diddled for 8 years!!!! You definitely were napping those years.
ANSWER ME YOU PATHETIC LIBERAL WACK JOB!!!!
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