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Brace yourself for a bitterly cold winter, as climate change shifts the polar vortex

Post by chucky » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:24 am

Yup global warming is all encompassing it even causes extreme cooling or anything else that happens . Don't forget that darn Polar Vortex who is an accomplice to the cooling er I mean warming.

Brace yourself for a bitterly cold winter, as climate change shifts the polar vortex
Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather.

Pedestrians gather at a bus stop during snowfall along Lexington Avenue in New York. CREDIT: AP/Bebeto Matthews
It’s coming back.

The polar vortex that shocked the northeast with extremely cold days may bring more bitterly cold winters to North America, according to a new study.

The polar vortex is a massive system of swirling air that usually contains cold air around the North Pole. It has been shifting for decades, researchers found — but it has only recently become a household term, after it was blamed for causing record cold weather affecting some 200 million people in 2014.

According to the study, over the past 30 years, the polar vortex has weakened, in part due to Arctic sea-ice loss linked to human-caused climate change. That weakening has prompted a shifted toward Europe and Asia in February. This means unusually cold days may become more common in February and March, the Weather Channel reported. At the same time, Europe is facing warmer winters.

Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather. This is what it looks like.
“Climate change can lead to extremes; it’s not like a regular change, everyone to the same extent at all times and places,” co-author Martyn Chipperfield, professor of atmospheric chemistry at the University of Leeds, told ClimateWire. “Despite the overall warming, you can get in places like the Northeastern U.S. extreme cold events. That’s consistent with climate change and global warming.”

A weakened vortex means cold Arctic air moves to lower latitudes, as happened in early 2014 and 2015. Some experts are reporting the polar vortex is already acting up this year, and that may point for a troubling winter.

In 2014, the polar vortex cost the U.S. economy some $5 billion in cancelled flights and infrastructure repairs. It also meant higher energy bills — which not only hit to consumers’ pockets, they also mean more use of fossil fuels at a time when scientists say emissions have to be aggressively scaled back to keep climate change from worsening.
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Post by clusterchuck » Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:09 pm

You see, its like this: the heat of ever increasing AGW summers shift the center of global high/low pressure systems causing jet stream patterns to change normal paths influencing all four seasons well after the AGW summer subsides. The end result is, AGW causes hotter summers and because the summers are hotter normal pressure systems are altered causing windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs and hotter summers and windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs and hotter summers and windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs. Like that. And stuff.

So it stands to reason, if a summer seems abnormally warm and average temps are measured fractionally higher, AGW is to blame.
If software modeling fails to accurately predict hurricane season, the wild unpredictable nature of mans influence on climate is to blame.
If winter brings snow storms AGW is to blame.
If spring seems abnormally cool/worm/short or windy, AGW is to blame.

What a perfect opportunity to leverage a science no one fully understands. Leave it to clever hucksters to gather up some data, drill some ice, look at tree rings, rocks and stuff, then hypothesize that what we see today is abnormal when compared to what we think we know about millions of years of earths organic processes and make some damned dollars?

Jackpot!

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Post by chucky » Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:16 pm

clusterchuck wrote:You see, its like this: the heat of ever increasing AGW summers shift the center of global high/low pressure systems causing jet stream patterns to change normal paths influencing all four seasons well after the AGW summer subsides. The end result is, AGW causes hotter summers and because the summers are hotter normal pressure systems are altered causing windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs and hotter summers and windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs and hotter summers and windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs. Like that. And stuff.

So it stands to reason, if a summer seems abnormally warm and average temps are measured fractionally higher, AGW is to blame.
If software modeling fails to accurately predict hurricane season, the wild unpredictable nature of mans influence on climate is to blame.
If winter brings snow storms AGW is to blame.
If spring seems abnormally cool/worm/short or windy, AGW is to blame.

What a perfect opportunity to leverage a science no one fully understands. Leave it to clever hucksters to gather up some data, drill some ice, look at tree rings, rocks and stuff, then hypothesize that what we see today is abnormal when compared to what we think we know about millions of years of earths organic processes and make some damned dollars?

Jackpot!
That's a confirmed bingo. :cash:
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Post by DallasDimeBags » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:12 pm

clusterchuck wrote:You see, its like this: the heat of ever increasing AGW summers shift the center of global high/low pressure systems causing jet stream patterns to change normal paths influencing all four seasons well after the AGW summer subsides. The end result is, AGW causes hotter summers and because the summers are hotter normal pressure systems are altered causing windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs and hotter summers and windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs and hotter summers and windier autumns and colder winters and shorter springs. Like that. And stuff.

So it stands to reason, if a summer seems abnormally warm and average temps are measured fractionally higher, AGW is to blame.
If software modeling fails to accurately predict hurricane season, the wild unpredictable nature of mans influence on climate is to blame.
If winter brings snow storms AGW is to blame.
If spring seems abnormally cool/worm/short or windy, AGW is to blame.

What a perfect opportunity to leverage a science no one fully understands. Leave it to clever hucksters to gather up some data, drill some ice, look at tree rings, rocks and stuff, then hypothesize that what we see today is abnormal when compared to what we think we know about millions of years of earths organic processes and make some damned dollars?

Jackpot!

And then there is the awesome sample size of less than .0001 of a % (out of the BILLIONS of years Earth has been in existence) that the AGW crowd uses.

How could they possibly be mistaken with such a gi-normous sample size like that.

There is money to be made and grants to be obtained to continue the absolutely crucial (cough) work that these scientists are doing How can you expect them to obtain that money if they don't follow the tact they are currently using?

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Post by brookboy123 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:25 pm

chucky wrote:Yup global warming is all encompassing it even causes extreme cooling or anything else that happens . Don't forget that darn Polar Vortex who is an accomplice to the cooling er I mean warming.

Brace yourself for a bitterly cold winter, as climate change shifts the polar vortex
Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather.

Pedestrians gather at a bus stop during snowfall along Lexington Avenue in New York. CREDIT: AP/Bebeto Matthews
It’s coming back.

The polar vortex that shocked the northeast with extremely cold days may bring more bitterly cold winters to North America, according to a new study.

The polar vortex is a massive system of swirling air that usually contains cold air around the North Pole. It has been shifting for decades, researchers found — but it has only recently become a household term, after it was blamed for causing record cold weather affecting some 200 million people in 2014.

According to the study, over the past 30 years, the polar vortex has weakened, in part due to Arctic sea-ice loss linked to human-caused climate change. That weakening has prompted a shifted toward Europe and Asia in February. This means unusually cold days may become more common in February and March, the Weather Channel reported. At the same time, Europe is facing warmer winters.

Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather. This is what it looks like.
“Climate change can lead to extremes; it’s not like a regular change, everyone to the same extent at all times and places,” co-author Martyn Chipperfield, professor of atmospheric chemistry at the University of Leeds, told ClimateWire. “Despite the overall warming, you can get in places like the Northeastern U.S. extreme cold events. That’s consistent with climate change and global warming.”

A weakened vortex means cold Arctic air moves to lower latitudes, as happened in early 2014 and 2015. Some experts are reporting the polar vortex is already acting up this year, and that may point for a troubling winter.

In 2014, the polar vortex cost the U.S. economy some $5 billion in cancelled flights and infrastructure repairs. It also meant higher energy bills — which not only hit to consumers’ pockets, they also mean more use of fossil fuels at a time when scientists say emissions have to be aggressively scaled back to keep climate change from worsening.

This is EXACTLY what I have taught to thousands of Long Island students.


They seemed to understand it quite well.

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Post by thelionofthenorth » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:03 pm

One the other hand, NOAA is predicting

>There are indications that the East may see colder than average temperatures this winter, especially earlier in the season.

However, climate computer models are depicting an atmospheric response to the expected weak La Niña in January, which would allow warmer temperatures in the East with colder conditions developing in the Pacific Northwest.

In the Southwest, there will most likely be persistent above-average temperatures, while the Pacific Northwest is likely to see the best chance for persistent cold, especially in January and February.<

and

>In terms of preciptation, NOAA expects portions of the northern tier -- including portions of the Northwest, northern Plains and Great Lakes -- to see above-average precipitation this winter because of a more active northern jet stream.

Much of the southern tier is expected to be drier than average, with the greatest chance of below-average precipitation from central Texas along the northern Gulf Coast into northern and central Florida.

This is not good news for portions of the South and Southeast, which are experiencing drought conditions. Alabama and Mississippi are experiencing abnormally dry conditions and almost 30 percent of Georgia is in extreme drought, according to the drought monitor released Oct. 20.

According to NOAA, "Drought is expected to persist and spread in the southeastern U.S and develop in the southern Plains. Drought improvement is anticipated in northern California, the northern Rockies, the northern Plains and parts of the Ohio Valley."<

We shall see.

Personally, I'm cool with warmer, wetter winter where I am.
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Post by clusterchuck » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:38 pm

brookboy123 wrote:
chucky wrote:Yup global warming is all encompassing it even causes extreme cooling or anything else that happens . Don't forget that darn Polar Vortex who is an accomplice to the cooling er I mean warming.

Brace yourself for a bitterly cold winter, as climate change shifts the polar vortex
Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather.

Pedestrians gather at a bus stop during snowfall along Lexington Avenue in New York. CREDIT: AP/Bebeto Matthews
It’s coming back.

The polar vortex that shocked the northeast with extremely cold days may bring more bitterly cold winters to North America, according to a new study.

The polar vortex is a massive system of swirling air that usually contains cold air around the North Pole. It has been shifting for decades, researchers found — but it has only recently become a household term, after it was blamed for causing record cold weather affecting some 200 million people in 2014.

According to the study, over the past 30 years, the polar vortex has weakened, in part due to Arctic sea-ice loss linked to human-caused climate change. That weakening has prompted a shifted toward Europe and Asia in February. This means unusually cold days may become more common in February and March, the Weather Channel reported. At the same time, Europe is facing warmer winters.

Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather. This is what it looks like.
“Climate change can lead to extremes; it’s not like a regular change, everyone to the same extent at all times and places,” co-author Martyn Chipperfield, professor of atmospheric chemistry at the University of Leeds, told ClimateWire. “Despite the overall warming, you can get in places like the Northeastern U.S. extreme cold events. That’s consistent with climate change and global warming.”

A weakened vortex means cold Arctic air moves to lower latitudes, as happened in early 2014 and 2015. Some experts are reporting the polar vortex is already acting up this year, and that may point for a troubling winter.

In 2014, the polar vortex cost the U.S. economy some $5 billion in cancelled flights and infrastructure repairs. It also meant higher energy bills — which not only hit to consumers’ pockets, they also mean more use of fossil fuels at a time when scientists say emissions have to be aggressively scaled back to keep climate change from worsening.

This is EXACTLY what I have taught to thousands of Long Island students.


They seemed to understand it quite well.
Setting aside your suggestion that AGW non-conformists/skeptics are incapable or resistant to the concept of learning, the process of education is a teeny bit more complex than reading "approved" reference materials and listening to lecture(s). I'm sure your students were given a full understanding of the deep complexity and resulting controversy surrounding AGW "science", yes? After all, a proper science education acknowledges the distinction between evolving science and known processes proven in laboratory conditions. A proper education also acknowledges that science is not immune to social and political influence, or the myriad of variables in SW models used to "predict" the future as it applies to global climate and natural processes yet to be fully understood in the context of time expressed in billions of years. Absent those truths, and considering young minds rarely question what they are being told (taught), it's completely reasonable your students had no trouble grasping what they were being told (taught).

Hopefully, some of your students will apply lessons that can only be learned thru life experience to further their education.

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Post by brookboy123 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:11 am

clusterchuck wrote:
brookboy123 wrote:
chucky wrote:Yup global warming is all encompassing it even causes extreme cooling or anything else that happens . Don't forget that darn Polar Vortex who is an accomplice to the cooling er I mean warming.

Brace yourself for a bitterly cold winter, as climate change shifts the polar vortex
Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather.

Pedestrians gather at a bus stop during snowfall along Lexington Avenue in New York. CREDIT: AP/Bebeto Matthews
It’s coming back.

The polar vortex that shocked the northeast with extremely cold days may bring more bitterly cold winters to North America, according to a new study.

The polar vortex is a massive system of swirling air that usually contains cold air around the North Pole. It has been shifting for decades, researchers found — but it has only recently become a household term, after it was blamed for causing record cold weather affecting some 200 million people in 2014.

According to the study, over the past 30 years, the polar vortex has weakened, in part due to Arctic sea-ice loss linked to human-caused climate change. That weakening has prompted a shifted toward Europe and Asia in February. This means unusually cold days may become more common in February and March, the Weather Channel reported. At the same time, Europe is facing warmer winters.

Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather. This is what it looks like.
“Climate change can lead to extremes; it’s not like a regular change, everyone to the same extent at all times and places,” co-author Martyn Chipperfield, professor of atmospheric chemistry at the University of Leeds, told ClimateWire. “Despite the overall warming, you can get in places like the Northeastern U.S. extreme cold events. That’s consistent with climate change and global warming.”

A weakened vortex means cold Arctic air moves to lower latitudes, as happened in early 2014 and 2015. Some experts are reporting the polar vortex is already acting up this year, and that may point for a troubling winter.

In 2014, the polar vortex cost the U.S. economy some $5 billion in cancelled flights and infrastructure repairs. It also meant higher energy bills — which not only hit to consumers’ pockets, they also mean more use of fossil fuels at a time when scientists say emissions have to be aggressively scaled back to keep climate change from worsening.

This is EXACTLY what I have taught to thousands of Long Island students.


They seemed to understand it quite well.
Setting aside your suggestion that AGW non-conformists/skeptics are incapable or resistant to the concept of learning, the process of education is a teeny bit more complex than reading "approved" reference materials and listening to lecture(s). I'm sure your students were given a full understanding of the deep complexity and resulting controversy surrounding AGW "science", yes? After all, a proper science education acknowledges the distinction between evolving science and known processes proven in laboratory conditions. A proper education also acknowledges that science is not immune to social and political influence, or the myriad of variables in SW models used to "predict" the future as it applies to global climate and natural processes yet to be fully understood in the context of time expressed in billions of years. Absent those truths, and considering young minds rarely question what they are being told (taught), it's completely reasonable your students had no trouble grasping what they were being told (taught).

Hopefully, some of your students will apply lessons that can only be learned thru life experience to further their education.

Some students certainly will............I would hope that ALL of them would.............life is the ultimate teacher.

The children are TOLD the facts as they are presented by the NYS syllabus, as is the job of the teacher...........the complexity and depth of the facts are level appropriate.

I had no problem keeping my personal "feelings" concerning the facts that I taught................heck, I was especially good at teaching evolution without the kids knowing that I believe "creationists" to be unthinking nitwits.............as I was taught by those darned Jesuits.

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Post by brookboy123 » Mon May 01, 2017 8:27 am

chucky wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:24 am
Yup global warming is all encompassing it even causes extreme cooling or anything else that happens . Don't forget that darn Polar Vortex who is an accomplice to the cooling er I mean warming.

Brace yourself for a bitterly cold winter, as climate change shifts the polar vortex
Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather.

Pedestrians gather at a bus stop during snowfall along Lexington Avenue in New York. CREDIT: AP/Bebeto Matthews
It’s coming back.

The polar vortex that shocked the northeast with extremely cold days may bring more bitterly cold winters to North America, according to a new study.

The polar vortex is a massive system of swirling air that usually contains cold air around the North Pole. It has been shifting for decades, researchers found — but it has only recently become a household term, after it was blamed for causing record cold weather affecting some 200 million people in 2014.

According to the study, over the past 30 years, the polar vortex has weakened, in part due to Arctic sea-ice loss linked to human-caused climate change. That weakening has prompted a shifted toward Europe and Asia in February. This means unusually cold days may become more common in February and March, the Weather Channel reported. At the same time, Europe is facing warmer winters.

Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather. This is what it looks like.
“Climate change can lead to extremes; it’s not like a regular change, everyone to the same extent at all times and places,” co-author Martyn Chipperfield, professor of atmospheric chemistry at the University of Leeds, told ClimateWire. “Despite the overall warming, you can get in places like the Northeastern U.S. extreme cold events. That’s consistent with climate change and global warming.”

A weakened vortex means cold Arctic air moves to lower latitudes, as happened in early 2014 and 2015. Some experts are reporting the polar vortex is already acting up this year, and that may point for a troubling winter.

In 2014, the polar vortex cost the U.S. economy some $5 billion in cancelled flights and infrastructure repairs. It also meant higher energy bills — which not only hit to consumers’ pockets, they also mean more use of fossil fuels at a time when scientists say emissions have to be aggressively scaled back to keep climate change from worsening.
I'm so glad that the warming planet delivered a very reasonable winter around these parts.

......when we returned from our Caribbean adventure in mid-February we were greeted by temps in the upper 40's and 50's.

A very reasonable Lon-guyland winter.

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Post by chucky » Mon May 01, 2017 12:09 pm

brookboy123 wrote: ↑
Mon May 01, 2017 8:27 am
chucky wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:24 am
Yup global warming is all encompassing it even causes extreme cooling or anything else that happens . Don't forget that darn Polar Vortex who is an accomplice to the cooling er I mean warming.

Brace yourself for a bitterly cold winter, as climate change shifts the polar vortex
Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather.

Pedestrians gather at a bus stop during snowfall along Lexington Avenue in New York. CREDIT: AP/Bebeto Matthews
It’s coming back.

The polar vortex that shocked the northeast with extremely cold days may bring more bitterly cold winters to North America, according to a new study.

The polar vortex is a massive system of swirling air that usually contains cold air around the North Pole. It has been shifting for decades, researchers found — but it has only recently become a household term, after it was blamed for causing record cold weather affecting some 200 million people in 2014.

According to the study, over the past 30 years, the polar vortex has weakened, in part due to Arctic sea-ice loss linked to human-caused climate change. That weakening has prompted a shifted toward Europe and Asia in February. This means unusually cold days may become more common in February and March, the Weather Channel reported. At the same time, Europe is facing warmer winters.

Scientists have long said global warming will bring extreme weather. This is what it looks like.
“Climate change can lead to extremes; it’s not like a regular change, everyone to the same extent at all times and places,” co-author Martyn Chipperfield, professor of atmospheric chemistry at the University of Leeds, told ClimateWire. “Despite the overall warming, you can get in places like the Northeastern U.S. extreme cold events. That’s consistent with climate change and global warming.”

A weakened vortex means cold Arctic air moves to lower latitudes, as happened in early 2014 and 2015. Some experts are reporting the polar vortex is already acting up this year, and that may point for a troubling winter.

In 2014, the polar vortex cost the U.S. economy some $5 billion in cancelled flights and infrastructure repairs. It also meant higher energy bills — which not only hit to consumers’ pockets, they also mean more use of fossil fuels at a time when scientists say emissions have to be aggressively scaled back to keep climate change from worsening.
I'm so glad that the warming planet delivered a very reasonable winter around these parts.

......when we returned from our Caribbean adventure in mid-February we were greeted by temps in the upper 40's and 50's.

A very reasonable Lon-guyland winter.
Just came back to NY in time for an 80 degree day saturday on parts of Long Island only low 70s on the south shore though. Cold and cloudy today.
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