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Re: E = M

Post by Shred » Tue May 19, 2020 3:39 am

And the reason the hijackers names were known is because air hostesses on flight 11 phoned American Airlines and told them which seats the hijackers had used.

As seat allocation was on file, the airline's had their names. Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney told Nydia Gonzalez.

Nydia Gonzalez was able to identify the hijackers of Flight 11. There may have been calls of the same nature by flight attendants on the other hijacked jets, it's logical to think there would have been. That is how they were identified so quickly.

The hijackers were on passenger lists (but not victim lists obviously).
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Re: E = M

Post by nolaxride » Tue May 19, 2020 10:16 am

antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:45 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:39 am
antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:32 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:13 am
antifa wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:50 pm
The primary function of the msm is to manufacture consent. 911 caught the media so off guard that they actually reported on what they were witnessing in real time. Every network was talking about countless explosions and comparing the WTC collapse to controlled demolition.

Government had to step in and tell the corporate executives to put a nix on reporting facts. Within hours, every media outlet had the names, photos, and video of 19 Muslim men, and were parroting the exact same narrative of pilots giving up their plane to Arabs with box cutters.

We're supposed to forget about the live coverage we saw on tv and get in line with the government narrative. Wake up America.
Let's talk about the live coverage. I watched the second plane hit live.
How long did it take for the media to have the names and photos of 19 Arab men and the narrative of Muslim terrorists? The live feeds show it was within hours. That's some quick journalism.
Did the planes hit the towers or not?
There is empirical evidence of planes hitting the towers but there is no evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon or crashing in a field in Pennsylvania.
OK. So we're agreed planes hit the WTC. Now let's deal with the Pentagon. We have Flight 77, IAD to LAX, with 58 passengers. The obvious question is where happened to Flight 77, passengers and crew? And then what caused the damage at the Pentagon?
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Re: E = M

Post by antifa » Tue May 19, 2020 11:12 am

nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:16 am
antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:45 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:39 am
antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:32 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:13 am
antifa wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:50 pm
The primary function of the msm is to manufacture consent. 911 caught the media so off guard that they actually reported on what they were witnessing in real time. Every network was talking about countless explosions and comparing the WTC collapse to controlled demolition.

Government had to step in and tell the corporate executives to put a nix on reporting facts. Within hours, every media outlet had the names, photos, and video of 19 Muslim men, and were parroting the exact same narrative of pilots giving up their plane to Arabs with box cutters.

We're supposed to forget about the live coverage we saw on tv and get in line with the government narrative. Wake up America.
Let's talk about the live coverage. I watched the second plane hit live.
How long did it take for the media to have the names and photos of 19 Arab men and the narrative of Muslim terrorists? The live feeds show it was within hours. That's some quick journalism.
Did the planes hit the towers or not?
There is empirical evidence of planes hitting the towers but there is no evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon or crashing in a field in Pennsylvania.
OK. So we're agreed planes hit the WTC. Now let's deal with the Pentagon. We have Flight 77, IAD to LAX, with 58 passengers. The obvious question is where happened to Flight 77, passengers and crew? And then what caused the damage at the Pentagon?
There's a lot of speculation an disinformation on the net but I like to stick to the fact that no plane hit the pentagon. Evidence for that is right here on this thread.
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Re: E = M

Post by Shred » Tue May 19, 2020 11:26 am

I already showed you bits of the wreckage over and over again I also gave eyewitness testimonies including Aziz El Hallan, and Mike Walter. I told you about Frank Probst who was nearly decapitated by it. I didn't tell you about Lloyd England whose taxi caught a lamp post that N644AA had hit.

There's a very busy road right outside that side of the building it absolutely was hit by N644AA.

There were 136 eyewitnesses who came forward, 104 of them saw the crash as well as the approach.
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Re: E = M

Post by nolaxride » Tue May 19, 2020 12:06 pm

antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 11:12 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:16 am
antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:45 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:39 am
antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:32 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:13 am
antifa wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:50 pm
The primary function of the msm is to manufacture consent. 911 caught the media so off guard that they actually reported on what they were witnessing in real time. Every network was talking about countless explosions and comparing the WTC collapse to controlled demolition.

Government had to step in and tell the corporate executives to put a nix on reporting facts. Within hours, every media outlet had the names, photos, and video of 19 Muslim men, and were parroting the exact same narrative of pilots giving up their plane to Arabs with box cutters.

We're supposed to forget about the live coverage we saw on tv and get in line with the government narrative. Wake up America.
Let's talk about the live coverage. I watched the second plane hit live.
How long did it take for the media to have the names and photos of 19 Arab men and the narrative of Muslim terrorists? The live feeds show it was within hours. That's some quick journalism.
Did the planes hit the towers or not?
There is empirical evidence of planes hitting the towers but there is no evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon or crashing in a field in Pennsylvania.
OK. So we're agreed planes hit the WTC. Now let's deal with the Pentagon. We have Flight 77, IAD to LAX, with 58 passengers. The obvious question is where happened to Flight 77, passengers and crew? And then what caused the damage at the Pentagon?
There's a lot of speculation an disinformation on the net but I like to stick to the fact that no plane hit the pentagon. Evidence for that is right here on this thread.
What happened to Flight 77?
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Re: E = M

Post by Shred » Tue May 19, 2020 2:17 pm

LT Col Hal Bidlack (USAF Retired) was in the Pentagon when N644AA crashed into it. He held pieces of the plane in his hands covered with fuel and oil, he helped with the triage area, he helped someone with a head wound, he aided ambulances coming in and suffered with PTSD afterwards suffering with nightmares for years afterwards. It was absolutely the worst thing he experienced in 25 years of military service.
He said this to a conspiracy theorist (the conspiracy theorist is a clown who calls himself Killtown) in 2006
Killtown,
I am certainly aware of people like yourself who believe that those of us who suffered on 9/11 must be part of some giant plot, either as dupes or plotters. I was in the Pentagon when the plane hit, I held parts of that aircraft in my hands, covered with fuel and oil, and I helped with the triage area. I helped a guy with a headwound, aided ambulances coming in, and suffer to this day with ongoing nightmares on a very regular basis. When one has seen what I saw, and had to do what I had to do, the images, the smells, the sounds, resonate in your mind forever.

I do not object to your desire to dispute the facts of that day. While I feel you are hopelessly naive and silly, that is your right. But please know that your page on the Pentagon crash is deeply offensive to the survivors such as myself. Again, it's not that you argue. But your tone is one of mocking, of making light of the greatest suffering I ever saw in my 25 years of military service. Your fake "quotes," your quips, all mock the pain of those of us that were there, and served that day. I am very likely one of the people in some of your photographs, and I assure you our thoughts were not about the grass (a silly claim you make, by the way), but were deeply, intensely worried about the people hurt, the people left inside. I will never forget that day, and while I can forgive your foolishness in not understanding the facts, the science, the reality of that day, I find it much harder to forgive your willingness to laugh at those who were so terribly hurt that day. Such an attitude shows you to be a cruel and heartless person, in addition to silly one.

LT Col Hal Bidlack
USAF Retired
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... ostcount=1

Hal Bidlack ran for congress as a democrat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Bidlack

Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to investigate the damaged Pentagon and said this:
"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.

"I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
Frank Probst:
Had I not hit the deck, the plane would have taken off my head.
Mike Walter's testimony:

He clearly stated it was an American Airlines jet.

Aziz ElHallan:

He clearly stated it was an American Airlines 757.
A piece of the jet landed by his car and he produced it in the interview.

Despite all the evidence that there was a jet, and there were hijackers, conspiracy theorists are so bigoted and prejudiced they are not willing to acknowledge their own mistakes and instead run away when presented with facts.
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Re: E = M

Post by antifa » Tue May 19, 2020 5:03 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:06 pm
antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 11:12 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:16 am
antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:45 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:39 am
antifa wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:32 am
nolaxride wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 12:13 am
antifa wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:50 pm
The primary function of the msm is to manufacture consent. 911 caught the media so off guard that they actually reported on what they were witnessing in real time. Every network was talking about countless explosions and comparing the WTC collapse to controlled demolition.

Government had to step in and tell the corporate executives to put a nix on reporting facts. Within hours, every media outlet had the names, photos, and video of 19 Muslim men, and were parroting the exact same narrative of pilots giving up their plane to Arabs with box cutters.

We're supposed to forget about the live coverage we saw on tv and get in line with the government narrative. Wake up America.
Let's talk about the live coverage. I watched the second plane hit live.
How long did it take for the media to have the names and photos of 19 Arab men and the narrative of Muslim terrorists? The live feeds show it was within hours. That's some quick journalism.
Did the planes hit the towers or not?
There is empirical evidence of planes hitting the towers but there is no evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon or crashing in a field in Pennsylvania.
OK. So we're agreed planes hit the WTC. Now let's deal with the Pentagon. We have Flight 77, IAD to LAX, with 58 passengers. The obvious question is where happened to Flight 77, passengers and crew? And then what caused the damage at the Pentagon?
There's a lot of speculation an disinformation on the net but I like to stick to the fact that no plane hit the pentagon. Evidence for that is right here on this thread.
What happened to Flight 77?
I only post evidence. Do your own research and go down the flight 77 rabbit hole. There's too much disinformation out there.
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Re: E = M

Post by Shred » Tue May 19, 2020 11:14 pm

Shred wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:28 pm
Yep the hole was in the courtyard, not the basement.

The plane flew horizontally into the Pentagon. It's trajectory was towards the courtyard, not the basement.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/co ... 0265.shtml

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And this is how much of the Pentagon needed rebuilding.
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https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/ ... ncesummary

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/ ... ttackpage2

Parts were a 100% match for N644AA (Flight 77).
Phone calls were made from it by airphone, including a call by Barbara Olson.

Another hijacked jet had a call made from it by Betty Ong, as the call was made to American Airlines it was recorded.
This is part of that call:


More than 136 eyewitnesses, 104 who directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

Think about it, there was a busy road right in front, with a traffic jam.

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N644AA was the plane which hit the Pentagon.
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=89961&start=130

Your memory is rubbish Antifa.
You've been debunked for half a year now on every point.
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Re: E = M

Post by Shred » Tue May 19, 2020 11:17 pm

Shred wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:54 pm
136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.

2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/ ... ncesummary

This pilot Aziz El Hallan saw Flight 77 hit the Pentagon:


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Mike Walter eyewitness, he clearly stated it was an American Airline's jet.
Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, the 6'2" Vietnam Veteran looked up, directly into the right engine of a 757 commercial airliner cresting the hilltop Navy Annex. It reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine. "Had I not hit the deck, the plane would have taken off my head."
You could see where the plane had gone in. It sheared off some of the light poles and those were on the ground. There were some plane parts around. We got right up to the building. The frustrating thing is you couldn’t get in because of the smoke. –Colonel John F. Roser, commander of the Rader Army Health Clinic at Ft. Myer, VA.

We could not see the plane. The only thing that we saw was a piece of the front skin with the “C” from American Airlines by the little heliport control tower. (see photo above) –Lieutenant Colonel Frank Bryceland

I rushed through Henderson Hall (a close-by Marine barracks) to the Pentagon. Along the way, debris of an airplane wing was on the grass. –Dr. Duong Nguyen, COL, MC (retired), physician

We noticed pieces of the aircraft that had landed inside the courtyard, and the FBI personnel were marking the location where each piece landed. –Colonel Jonathan Fruendt, Surgeon

But we did go right up by the helipad almost. You could see pieces of the airplane sitting there, and it looked like some cushions or some pieces. –Lieutenant Colonel Bernadette Close

At that point we were able to see the last part of the plane, where it stopped, basically. It was a big 8 by 10 or bigger, I’m just guessing, hole in the wall. You could see the tire, the landing gear, were just forward of it. There was a fire that was burning right up against the wall. –Sergeant First Class Reginald Powell, radiologist

I remember looking down the corridor, and you could see where part of the plane had busted through the wall, and the firefighters wouldn’t let us in. They were scared the entire wall was going to collapse. You could still see a tire and some unrecognizable little small portion of the plane. –Specialist Kristopher Leigh Sorensen, Medical Laboratory Technician
Mark Willams: "When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

'It was the worst thing you can imagine,' said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. 'I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside.'
"I did see airplane seats and a corpse still strapped to one of the seats."
–Capt. Jim Ingledue, Virginia Beach Fire Dept.
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Re: E = M

Post by Shred » Wed May 20, 2020 5:29 am

Conspiracists are afraid to have their fantasies destroyed, so they scrupulously avoid contacting the hundreds of Pentagon 9/11 first responders and the over 8,000 people who worked on rescue, recovery, evidence collection, building stabilization, and security in the days after 9/11. These are just some of the organizations whose members worked on the scene:

Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue, American Airlines, American Red Cross, Arlington County Emergency Medical Services, Arlington County Fire Department, Arlington County Sheriff's Department, Arlington VA Police Department, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic staff, DeWitt Army Community Hospital staff, District of Columbia Fire & Rescue, DOD Honor Guard, Environmental Protection Agency Hazmat Teams, Fairfax County Fire & Rescue, FBI Evidence Recovery Teams, FBI Hazmat Teams, Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams, FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams Maryland Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, FEMA Emergency Response Team, Fort Myer Fire Department, Four U.S. Army Chaplains, Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit, Military District of Washington Engineers Search & Rescue Team, Montgomery County Fire & Rescue, U.S. National Guard units, National Naval Medical Center CCRF, National Transportation Safety Board, Pentagon Defense Protective Service, Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team, Pentagon Medical Staff, Rader Army Health Clinic Staff, SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams, Salvation Army Disaster Services, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County, Virginia Beach Fire Department, Virginia Department of Emergency Management, Virginia State Police

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/ ... ncesummary
Ever tried contacting Alexandria VA Fire and Rescue ? American Airlines ? American Red Cross ? Arlington County Emergency Medical Services ? Arlington County Fire Department ? Arlington County Sherriff's department ? Virginia Beach Fire Department ? Virginia Department of Emergency Management Antifa ?

No, you haven't.

You've avoided all witnesses like the plague.

And evidently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence".

Why don't you try and contact Nydia Gonzalez former supervisor at American Airlines who handled emergencies ?
Afraid you might realise you've wasted the last 18 and a half years of your life on a wild goose chase ?

If you send a letter to American Airlines they could pass it onto her and she could get back to you.

Why don't you try to contact Alan Wallace who worked at the Pentagon Heliport ?
If you write to the heliport they could pass the letter on to him he could get back to you and tell you what he saw.

If you are polite to them they might reply.
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