They aren't entitlements....

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Re: They aren't entitlements....

Post by barrysoetoro » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:41 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:40 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:28 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:13 am
They are paid for.

https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4723781
Excellent, enpassioned speech. Sadly, too many of our "representatives" are too cowardly to push for a balance in government spending. They seem to favor an ever growing menu of real entitlements in effort to harvest votes from a dependent electorate. If I thought for a second that either party genuinely stood for, and acted on, what this man articulated, I'd happily align with that party.
OK. What entitlements?
You're quite the clueless buffoon.

https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/artic ... ns-receive

During the recent flap over Gov. Spitzer's plan to issue drivers' licenses to illegal aliens, the question arose as to what benefits an illegal alien in New York can receive. Here is a quick look at what New York State grants to illegal immigrants.

Conservation. Nonresidents of the state can purchase fishing and sporting licenses with any photo ID (including a passport from another country), and those who want to hunt must add in proof of having hunted before (such as a license from another state or evidence of having taken a hunter education course). According to the Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, a valid address is the only requirement to purchase an Empire Passport, which allows unlimited access to New York State Parks.

Given these requirements, it is possible for illegal aliens to obtain legal hunting and fishing privileges in New York State, as well as access to all state parks.

Education. As a result of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, states are required to provide K-12 public education for students without legal immigrant status. New York State is in compliance with this decision. SUNY tuition policy states that undocumented aliens who attend New York high schools for at least 2 years and graduate from them may be eligible for the in-state tuition rate. However, illegal immigrants are ineligible for the tuition assistance program (TAP).

Health. Proof of citizenship is required to qualify for Medicaid, unless a woman is pregnant, or the situation is considered an "emergency." New York State law requires that hospitals treat everyone who requires emergency care. "Continuing" care, by federal definition, is not included.
Labor. Believe it or not, illegal immigrants are eligible for workers' compensation, but not unemployment insurance. Labor standards laws also still apply to illegal aliens, such as the minimum wage, hours of labor or prevailing wage on public construction projects.

Mental Hygiene. Hospitals have a responsibility to treat patients with emergency medical conditions, including mental illnesses.

Welfare. Whether illegal aliens can obtain state benefits is not clear-cut. The short answer appears to be that they are not legally entitled to most benefits, but do in fact receive them.

Under federal law, any alien who is not a "qualified" alien is ineligible for state and local public benefits. To be qualified one has to be here under asylum, admitted for permanent residence, or fit another limited federal category.

Federal rules generally bar illegal aliens from participation in state and local public benefit programs, unless the benefit is for the treatment of an emergency medical condition, is short-term, non-cash, in-kind emergency disaster relief or immunization.

New York also has a similar regulation under its rules that govern eligibility for the receipt of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Lawful residence in the United States, if the recipient is an alien, is among seven factors that affect eligibility.

A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.

Typically, any proof an illegal alien provides as evidence of legal status, regardless of its fraudulent nature, will satisfy social services agencies that determine the person's benefit eligibility because an intake clerk simply cannot make the determination that someone is an illegal alien. Therefore, the law is usually overlooked and illegal aliens manage to qualify for state and local benefits.
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Re: They aren't entitlements....

Post by I am Z » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:55 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:38 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:49 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:46 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:39 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:46 am
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:13 am
They are paid for.

https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4723781
strong words. words that based only on what I heard, are impossible to disagree with.

he feels strongly about citizens in his state...good for him.

how does he feel about illegal aliens and them coming to his state and being on the dole?
What benefits do you worry that illegal immigrants might receive?
don't want to answer the question? ok. thanks
It's impossbile to answer your question without knowing the benefits to which you refer.
If you're white, a single parent you get next to nothing.

If you're a godam messycan illegally here, you get the dole.


well, umm....that's ...ahhhhhh.....racist!

:rofl1:
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Re: They aren't entitlements....

Post by barrysoetoro » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:10 pm

I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:55 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:38 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:49 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:46 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:39 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:46 am
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:13 am
They are paid for.

https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4723781
strong words. words that based only on what I heard, are impossible to disagree with.

he feels strongly about citizens in his state...good for him.

how does he feel about illegal aliens and them coming to his state and being on the dole?
What benefits do you worry that illegal immigrants might receive?
don't want to answer the question? ok. thanks
It's impossbile to answer your question without knowing the benefits to which you refer.
If you're white, a single parent you get next to nothing.

If you're a godam messycan illegally here, you get the dole.


well, umm....that's ...ahhhhhh.....racist!

:rofl1:
Unbelievable, no brain doesn't know that illegals get entitlements here.
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Re: They aren't entitlements....

Post by nolaxride » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:32 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:37 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:39 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:46 am
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:13 am
They are paid for.

https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4723781
strong words. words that based only on what I heard, are impossible to disagree with.

he feels strongly about citizens in his state...good for him.

how does he feel about illegal aliens and them coming to his state and being on the dole?
What benefits do you worry that illegal immigrants might receive?
Are you on f#ckign drugs?????
Nope. And I don't expect someone who can't think to answer the question.
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Re: They aren't entitlements....

Post by nolaxride » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:00 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:41 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:40 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:28 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:13 am
They are paid for.

https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4723781
Excellent, enpassioned speech. Sadly, too many of our "representatives" are too cowardly to push for a balance in government spending. They seem to favor an ever growing menu of real entitlements in effort to harvest votes from a dependent electorate. If I thought for a second that either party genuinely stood for, and acted on, what this man articulated, I'd happily align with that party.
OK. What entitlements?
You're quite the clueless buffoon.

https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/artic ... ns-receive

During the recent flap over Gov. Spitzer's plan to issue drivers' licenses to illegal aliens, the question arose as to what benefits an illegal alien in New York can receive. Here is a quick look at what New York State grants to illegal immigrants.

Conservation. Nonresidents of the state can purchase fishing and sporting licenses with any photo ID (including a passport from another country), and those who want to hunt must add in proof of having hunted before (such as a license from another state or evidence of having taken a hunter education course). According to the Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, a valid address is the only requirement to purchase an Empire Passport, which allows unlimited access to New York State Parks.

Given these requirements, it is possible for illegal aliens to obtain legal hunting and fishing privileges in New York State, as well as access to all state parks.

Education. As a result of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, states are required to provide K-12 public education for students without legal immigrant status. New York State is in compliance with this decision. SUNY tuition policy states that undocumented aliens who attend New York high schools for at least 2 years and graduate from them may be eligible for the in-state tuition rate. However, illegal immigrants are ineligible for the tuition assistance program (TAP).

Health. Proof of citizenship is required to qualify for Medicaid, unless a woman is pregnant, or the situation is considered an "emergency." New York State law requires that hospitals treat everyone who requires emergency care. "Continuing" care, by federal definition, is not included.
Labor. Believe it or not, illegal immigrants are eligible for workers' compensation, but not unemployment insurance. Labor standards laws also still apply to illegal aliens, such as the minimum wage, hours of labor or prevailing wage on public construction projects.

Mental Hygiene. Hospitals have a responsibility to treat patients with emergency medical conditions, including mental illnesses.

Welfare. Whether illegal aliens can obtain state benefits is not clear-cut. The short answer appears to be that they are not legally entitled to most benefits, but do in fact receive them.

Under federal law, any alien who is not a "qualified" alien is ineligible for state and local public benefits. To be qualified one has to be here under asylum, admitted for permanent residence, or fit another limited federal category.

Federal rules generally bar illegal aliens from participation in state and local public benefit programs, unless the benefit is for the treatment of an emergency medical condition, is short-term, non-cash, in-kind emergency disaster relief or immunization.

New York also has a similar regulation under its rules that govern eligibility for the receipt of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Lawful residence in the United States, if the recipient is an alien, is among seven factors that affect eligibility.

A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.

Typically, any proof an illegal alien provides as evidence of legal status, regardless of its fraudulent nature, will satisfy social services agencies that determine the person's benefit eligibility because an intake clerk simply cannot make the determination that someone is an illegal alien. Therefore, the law is usually overlooked and illegal aliens manage to qualify for state and local benefits.
ROtFLMAO... curious how you always accuse me of copy and paste... and here you are, not thinking for yourself...

The issue is entitlements. What entitlements do we afford illegal immigrants?

Driver's licenses, hunting licenses, fishing licenses, are not entitlements.

Is public education an entitlement? I'll agree that there's a cost associated with it. And I would argue it's a marginal cost.

But back to the point. Entitlements. And none of this is an entitlement.

Emergency medical care is available to everyone in this country, regardless of ability to pay. And when I say everyone, I mean everyone.

Illegal aliens are not allowed to take part in federal or state public benefit programs. In a few instances, their minor children might be eligible.
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Re: They aren't entitlements....

Post by nolaxride » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:05 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:10 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:55 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:38 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:49 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:46 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:39 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:46 am
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:13 am
They are paid for.

https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4723781
strong words. words that based only on what I heard, are impossible to disagree with.

he feels strongly about citizens in his state...good for him.

how does he feel about illegal aliens and them coming to his state and being on the dole?
What benefits do you worry that illegal immigrants might receive?
don't want to answer the question? ok. thanks
It's impossbile to answer your question without knowing the benefits to which you refer.
If you're white, a single parent you get next to nothing.

If you're a godam messycan illegally here, you get the dole.


well, umm....that's ...ahhhhhh.....racist!

:rofl1:
Unbelievable, no brain doesn't know that illegals get entitlements here.
I think I've just discovered the issue. You and many conservatives think Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. Sorry. They're paid for. It's unfortunate conservatives who don't seem to understand that and can't figure out how to balance the budget.
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Re: They aren't entitlements....

Post by barrysoetoro » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:17 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:05 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:10 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:55 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:38 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:49 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:46 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:39 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:46 am
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:13 am
They are paid for.

https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4723781
strong words. words that based only on what I heard, are impossible to disagree with.

he feels strongly about citizens in his state...good for him.

how does he feel about illegal aliens and them coming to his state and being on the dole?
What benefits do you worry that illegal immigrants might receive?
don't want to answer the question? ok. thanks
It's impossbile to answer your question without knowing the benefits to which you refer.
If you're white, a single parent you get next to nothing.

If you're a godam messycan illegally here, you get the dole.


well, umm....that's ...ahhhhhh.....racist!

:rofl1:
Unbelievable, no brain doesn't know that illegals get entitlements here.
I think I've just discovered the issue. You and many conservatives think Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. Sorry. They're paid for. It's unfortunate conservatives who don't seem to understand that and can't figure out how to balance the budget.
How long was SS supposed to be around?

So all that talk about "save SS & medicare, vote democrat" is a lie.
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Re: They aren't entitlements....

Post by nolaxride » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:20 am

barrysoetoro wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:17 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:05 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:10 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:55 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:38 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:49 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:46 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:39 pm
I am Z wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:46 am
nolaxride wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:13 am
They are paid for.

https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4723781
strong words. words that based only on what I heard, are impossible to disagree with.

he feels strongly about citizens in his state...good for him.

how does he feel about illegal aliens and them coming to his state and being on the dole?
What benefits do you worry that illegal immigrants might receive?
don't want to answer the question? ok. thanks
It's impossbile to answer your question without knowing the benefits to which you refer.
If you're white, a single parent you get next to nothing.

If you're a godam messycan illegally here, you get the dole.


well, umm....that's ...ahhhhhh.....racist!

:rofl1:
Unbelievable, no brain doesn't know that illegals get entitlements here.
I think I've just discovered the issue. You and many conservatives think Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. Sorry. They're paid for. It's unfortunate conservatives who don't seem to understand that and can't figure out how to balance the budget.
How long was SS supposed to be around?

So all that talk about "save SS & medicare, vote democrat" is a lie.
SSI was supposed to be around forever. And what makes you think the idea of saving SSI and Medicare is a lie?
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