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Another day, another five scandals. The Orange Klown is an embarrassment to our country.

Post by donttreadonme » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:25 am

Trump Reportedly Asked About and Pushed Back Against Key Witnesses’ Russia Investigation Testimony


In the age of Donald Trump, conservative jurists, legal theorists, and political commentators have adopted a very, very narrow definition of what constitutes “obstruction of justice.” That’s because the current Republican president of the United States’ conduct—irrespective of what did or did not happen during the campaign—clearly violates the spirt of the “obstruction” law, if not (yet) the letter. The president can fire who he wants; he can bully and cajole, order and insinuate, their thinking goes, but, throughout, the one thing these definitional constrictionists have agreed upon as legally problematic—and often point to as a counterexample of what would constitute obstruction of justice—is if the president ordered a witness to lie to investigators. A New York Times report Wednesday doesn’t go that far, but it does reveal that President Trump discussed with witnesses after the fact their testimony to investigators, which has the president again tiptoeing along a very slippery legal slope.

It’s hard to overstate the recklessness of Trump engaging with high-profile witnesses—the current White House counsel and former chief of staff—about their testimony, no matter how innocuous. It indicates an awareness on the part of the president of the potential impropriety of past actions and gives the appearance of possible coordination of testimony to square any discrepancies. Even if you assume, or believe, Trump has done nothing wrong at any point, the discussions with witnesses would require extra scrutiny by Mueller’s investigative team as the kernel of potential wrongdoing.

The first instance of Trump discussing the testimony of a key witness was with White House Counsel Don McGahn in January after a New York Times article reported that the White House lawyer told investigators Trump has ordered him to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller, but McGahn refused and threatened to resign if Mueller was sacked.

Mr. McGahn did not publicly deny the article, and the president later confronted him in the Oval Office in front of the White House chief of staff, John F. Kelly, according to the people. The president said he had never ordered Mr. McGahn to fire the special counsel. Mr. McGahn replied that the president was wrong and that he had in fact asked Mr. McGahn in June to call the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, to tell him that the special counsel had a series of conflicts that disqualified him for overseeing the investigation and that he had to be dismissed. The president told Mr. McGahn that he did not remember the discussion that way. Mr. Trump moved on, pointing out that Mr. McGahn had never told him that he was going to resign over the order to fire the special counsel. Mr. McGahn acknowledged that that was true but said that he had told senior White House officials at the time that he was going to quit.

The second instance involves former chief of staff Reince Priebus, who left the White House in July 2017 but has maintained contact with Trump and occasionally visits the White House. During one visit, in December, Trump met with Priebus in the West Wing.

Mr. Trump asked [-] Priebus, how his interview had gone with the special counsel’s investigators and whether they had been “nice,” according to two people familiar with the discussion… Mr. Priebus replied that the investigators were courteous and professional. He shared no specifics and did not say what he had told investigators, and the conversation moved on after a few minutes, those briefed on it said. Mr. Kelly was present for that conversation as well, and it was not clear whether he tried to stop the discussion.

To get a sense of how McGahn and Preibus and the others present for these conversations interpreted the interactions, the Times reports, “[the] witnesses and lawyers who learned about the conversations viewed them as potentially a problem and shared them with Mr. Mueller.”
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Post by nolaxride » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:32 am

Seems that most conservatives have abandoned their principles.
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Post by nolaxride » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:40 am

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I guess you missed the POINT. This is about the president, not Clinton.

And let's not forget that Clinton was found not guilty.
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Post by Scooter » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:41 am

Whitewater, 1992

Allegation: The granddaddy of all Clinton scandals surfaced during Bill Clinton's bid for the presidency. It centered on financial contributions by Bill and Hillary Clinton into a real estate entity known as Whitewater Development Corporation during his time as an Arkansas state official. Eventually, the Justice Department and independent counsel launched investigations.
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Post by Scooter » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:43 am

Eat $#@% loser, this is about you defending lying corrupt criminals like Bill Clinton. I guess in your tiny vapid little mind, acquitted means there was no crime committed. Fucking idiot. Not guilty does not mean innocent.
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Travelgate, 1993

Allegation: Not long after Bill Clinton entered the White House, in May 1993, seven workers in the travel office were fired. The White House attributed the ouster to ethics and financial record-keeping problems in the office. Critics said the Clintons got rid of government workers to make room for cronies. The FBI was tapped to investigate.
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Paula Jones

Allegation: Former Arkansas employee Paula Jones sued Bill Clinton for civil money damages in 1994 alleging that Clinton had propositioned her in a Little Rock hotel room years earlier. Clinton fought the case, but the Supreme Court ruled that the lawsuit could proceed. In the course of the long and bitter litigation, Jones's lawyers identified other women with whom Bill Clinton allegedly had intimate relationships. They included Gennifer Flowers, a cabaret singer whose contacts with Clinton were detailed in a tabloid report, and former White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

Outcome: In a deposition for the Jones civil lawsuit, in early 1998, Bill Clinton denied having "sexual relations" with Lewinsky. Her name had already come to the attention of Independent Counsel Ken Starr, who sought her cooperation in his own investigation. Months later, in front of a federal grand jury, Clinton acknowledged the personal relationship with Lewinsky and later appeared on television to offer a public apology. The statement failed to head off a vote in the U.S. House of Representatives to impeach the president. Clinton settled the Jones lawsuit for $850,000 but he did not acknowledge wrongdoing. In February 1999, the U.S. Senate acquitted Clinton of perjury and obstruction of justice.
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Clinton Foundation, 2015

Allegation: Republican lawmakers and watchdog groups have asked whether Clinton Foundation, established in 1997, engaged in conflicts of interest or quid pro quo deals during Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state. Speeches by both Bill and Hillary Clinton to private groups and foreign governments have also been called into question. Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley, the Republican chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and conservative watchdogs at Judicial Watch are investigating the matters.

Outcome: Congressional and outside investigations are ongoing. Republican lawmakers have asked whether the FBI is investigating dealings between the Foundation, its donors, and State Department officials, but federal authorities have not publicly confirmed those topics are under law enforcement scrutiny.
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Private Email Server, 2015

Allegation: The FBI and Justice Department are investigating whether Clinton's private email server compromised government secrets during her tenure at the State Department.

Outcome: FBI agents are continuing their work on the investigation and have interviewed several of Clinton's top aides. Clinton has said she will cooperate as well. The State Department inspector general recently concluded that Clinton did not follow the rules for safeguarding information, that she had not asked for approval to use the private server, and would not have been granted permission had she sought it.
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