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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by clusterchuck » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:31 pm

donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:08 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:17 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 pm
California guides businesses on how to avoid ‘aiding and abetting’ immigration authorities
BY ANITA CHABRIA

achabria@sacbee.com

Updated February 14, 2018 10:54 AM

The California Attorney General Tuesday issued details on how businesses can navigate a controversial new state law that limits employers’ cooperation with immigration authorities while still complying with federal law.

“Just to be clear, there is no conflict between what (the California law) requires and what federal law requires,” Attorney General Xavier Becerra said at a press event.

-snip-

Becerra said many of the questions his office have received are questions about how to recognize those legal documents.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199933454.html
What would happen to all the growers in your state if they would lose all their "illegals" on their payrolls?
Unemployed American citizens would find work and the price of food would go up?

It could happen
LOL, you're so silly!

Just how many Americans that you know would go out in the fields, at the prices that illegals are being paid, and pick strawberries?
No one that I know would, but that doesn't mean much cuz I only "know" an infinitesimal percentage of legal citizens in this country.

I'd guess that those Americans that would work the fields might be paid more than the illegal entrants infecting my country, hence "the price of food would go up?"
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by donttreadonme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:15 pm

clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:31 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:08 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:17 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 pm
California guides businesses on how to avoid ‘aiding and abetting’ immigration authorities
BY ANITA CHABRIA

achabria@sacbee.com

Updated February 14, 2018 10:54 AM

The California Attorney General Tuesday issued details on how businesses can navigate a controversial new state law that limits employers’ cooperation with immigration authorities while still complying with federal law.

“Just to be clear, there is no conflict between what (the California law) requires and what federal law requires,” Attorney General Xavier Becerra said at a press event.

-snip-

Becerra said many of the questions his office have received are questions about how to recognize those legal documents.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199933454.html
What would happen to all the growers in your state if they would lose all their "illegals" on their payrolls?
Unemployed American citizens would find work and the price of food would go up?

It could happen
LOL, you're so silly!

Just how many Americans that you know would go out in the fields, at the prices that illegals are being paid, and pick strawberries?
No one that I know would, but that doesn't mean much cuz I only "know" an infinitesimal percentage of legal citizens in this country.

I'd guess that those Americans that would work the fields might be paid more than the illegal entrants infecting my country, hence "the price of food would go up?"
If there were no americans hiring these people how many of them would be here "infecting" your and their country?
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by clusterchuck » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:02 am

donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:15 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:31 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:08 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:17 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 pm
California guides businesses on how to avoid ‘aiding and abetting’ immigration authorities
BY ANITA CHABRIA

achabria@sacbee.com

Updated February 14, 2018 10:54 AM

The California Attorney General Tuesday issued details on how businesses can navigate a controversial new state law that limits employers’ cooperation with immigration authorities while still complying with federal law.

“Just to be clear, there is no conflict between what (the California law) requires and what federal law requires,” Attorney General Xavier Becerra said at a press event.

-snip-

Becerra said many of the questions his office have received are questions about how to recognize those legal documents.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199933454.html
What would happen to all the growers in your state if they would lose all their "illegals" on their payrolls?
Unemployed American citizens would find work and the price of food would go up?

It could happen
LOL, you're so silly!

Just how many Americans that you know would go out in the fields, at the prices that illegals are being paid, and pick strawberries?
No one that I know would, but that doesn't mean much cuz I only "know" an infinitesimal percentage of legal citizens in this country.

I'd guess that those Americans that would work the fields might be paid more than the illegal entrants infecting my country, hence "the price of food would go up?"
If there were no americans hiring these people how many of them would be here "infecting" your and their country?
What a fascinating question. Never have I seen anyone ask such a thing. Wow. Someone should write a law about that.
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by donttreadonme » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:55 am

clusterchuck wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:02 am
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:15 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:31 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:08 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:17 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 pm
California guides businesses on how to avoid ‘aiding and abetting’ immigration authorities
BY ANITA CHABRIA

achabria@sacbee.com

Updated February 14, 2018 10:54 AM

The California Attorney General Tuesday issued details on how businesses can navigate a controversial new state law that limits employers’ cooperation with immigration authorities while still complying with federal law.

“Just to be clear, there is no conflict between what (the California law) requires and what federal law requires,” Attorney General Xavier Becerra said at a press event.

-snip-

Becerra said many of the questions his office have received are questions about how to recognize those legal documents.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199933454.html
What would happen to all the growers in your state if they would lose all their "illegals" on their payrolls?
Unemployed American citizens would find work and the price of food would go up?

It could happen
LOL, you're so silly!

Just how many Americans that you know would go out in the fields, at the prices that illegals are being paid, and pick strawberries?
No one that I know would, but that doesn't mean much cuz I only "know" an infinitesimal percentage of legal citizens in this country.

I'd guess that those Americans that would work the fields might be paid more than the illegal entrants infecting my country, hence "the price of food would go up?"
If there were no americans hiring these people how many of them would be here "infecting" your and their country?
What a fascinating question. Never have I seen anyone ask such a thing. Wow. Someone should write a law about that.
That's an amateurish way to avoid answering the question. It's obvious that there are millions of other Americans who don't feel the same way that you do about Mexicans "infecting" their country. Maybe you should be whining to them instead?

Are you going to blame Mexico for Americas drug problem too? Because it's obvious that the Mexicans are forcing Americans to take the drugs that are coming across the border, isn't it?
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by nolaxride » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:59 am

chucky wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:13 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:09 pm
We need a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

It's just that simple. CA is the source of the majority of your fruits and veggies. Remove illegal labor and a)your price goes up, and b)they may be scarce.
You need seasonal work visas like Canada issues.
There used to be a program like that... don't know if it still exists.
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by nolaxride » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:00 am

barrysoetoro wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:49 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:09 pm
We need a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

It's just that simple. CA is the source of the majority of your fruits and veggies. Remove illegal labor and a)your price goes up, and b)they may be scarce.
You're a f#cking idiot. So what do we tell all the legal immigrants, that they did it wrong?
Is there some part of a path to citizenship that you don't understand? Have you forgotten that Reagan granted amnesty and a path to citizenship? You might want to review the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by clusterchuck » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:12 am

donttreadonme wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:55 am
clusterchuck wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:02 am
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:15 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:31 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:08 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:17 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 pm
California guides businesses on how to avoid ‘aiding and abetting’ immigration authorities
BY ANITA CHABRIA

achabria@sacbee.com

Updated February 14, 2018 10:54 AM

The California Attorney General Tuesday issued details on how businesses can navigate a controversial new state law that limits employers’ cooperation with immigration authorities while still complying with federal law.

“Just to be clear, there is no conflict between what (the California law) requires and what federal law requires,” Attorney General Xavier Becerra said at a press event.

-snip-

Becerra said many of the questions his office have received are questions about how to recognize those legal documents.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199933454.html
What would happen to all the growers in your state if they would lose all their "illegals" on their payrolls?
Unemployed American citizens would find work and the price of food would go up?

It could happen
LOL, you're so silly!

Just how many Americans that you know would go out in the fields, at the prices that illegals are being paid, and pick strawberries?
No one that I know would, but that doesn't mean much cuz I only "know" an infinitesimal percentage of legal citizens in this country.

I'd guess that those Americans that would work the fields might be paid more than the illegal entrants infecting my country, hence "the price of food would go up?"
If there were no americans hiring these people how many of them would be here "infecting" your and their country?
What a fascinating question. Never have I seen anyone ask such a thing. Wow. Someone should write a law about that.
That's an amateurish way to avoid answering the question. It's obvious that there are millions of other Americans who don't feel the same way that you do about Mexicans "infecting" their country. Maybe you should be whining to them instead?

Are you going to blame Mexico for Americas drug problem too? Because it's obvious that the Mexicans are forcing Americans to take the drugs that are coming across the border, isn't it?
As amateurish as suggesting employers are the single problem with employing Invaders? There are rules around that already. Political will to enforce those rules is just part of the problem.

To answer your questions:

No and no.
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by lust4beer » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:26 am

clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:17 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 pm
California guides businesses on how to avoid ‘aiding and abetting’ immigration authorities
BY ANITA CHABRIA

achabria@sacbee.com

Updated February 14, 2018 10:54 AM

The California Attorney General Tuesday issued details on how businesses can navigate a controversial new state law that limits employers’ cooperation with immigration authorities while still complying with federal law.

“Just to be clear, there is no conflict between what (the California law) requires and what federal law requires,” Attorney General Xavier Becerra said at a press event.

The new Immigrant Worker Protection Act (AB 450) went into effect at the start of the year and has caused concern and confusion among some employers. It requires employers to keep workers informed when the federal government is investigating their status and not to cooperate unless the immigration authorities present a judicial warrant or official audit notice.

Many California businesses were not aware of the new rules, while others struggled to put its requirements into practice.

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Tuesday’s release of more information from the Attorney General and the California Labor Commissioner’s Office, both of which are charged with enforcement of the law, was meant to bring clarity for businesses as workplace raids by ICE seem to grow more frequent in the state, and employers are increasingly on the front lines of California’s immigration war with the Trump Administration.

The acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Thomas Homan, has said his agency plans increased enforcement in California because of its declared status as a sanctuary state.


In early February, U.S. Customs and Immigrations agents visited 77 worksites in its northern California territory, which extends from Bakersfield to the Oregon border, to deliver audit notifications. These give the government legal access to employee I-9 records meant to verify a person’s right to work in the United States. In January, the federal government also raided nearly 100 7-Eleven stores across the country, including some in California.

Becerra said he was not aware of any instance in those actions where U.S. immigration officials didn’t follow the correct legal procedure, or where employers failed to follow the new California law. He said that his office was in contact with “a number of individuals and a number of employers” who were involved in earlier raids in California.

In the Sacramento region, the Monsanto agricultural facility in Woodland received an audit notice on Feb. 1.

In Fresno, The Bee reported that about eight agricultural employers in the San Joaquin Valley had received audit notices. At Bee Sweet Citrus in Fowler, south of Fresno, 40 workers out of about 500 did not return to work after the audit notice was received.

“One woman who has worked for me for nearly 20 years came up to me, gave me a hug and told me that she had to leave; she couldn’t take a chance,” said Jim Marderosian, Bee Sweet president. “I got emotional because this is a very difficult thing for families.”

ICE spokesperson Yasmeen Pitts-O’Keefe said there had been no further workplace raids in the area since those in early February, but the results of those audits were part of an ongoing investigation and not available.

Chiu said he thinks the Trump administration is using its enforcement actions to create fear in the immigrant community.

Chiu said that one in three California workers is an immigrant, and one in ten is undocumented.

In fiscal year 2017, HSI conducted 1,360 I-9 audits and made 139 criminal arrests and 172 administrative arrests. Businesses were ordered to pay $97.6 million in judicial forfeiture, fines and restitution and $7.8 million in civil fines, according to an ICE press release.

Becerra said his office had reached out to businesses and trade groups across the state in sectors including agriculture, retail, construction and hospitality to inform them of the new state law and learn what provisions were hardest to understand prior to issuing the new guidelines.

The California law requires employers keep employees informed of federal actions. Employers must post notices within 72 hours after receiving a federal audit notice requesting access to records, and inform individual employees if the federal government finds their records problematic.

It also requires employers to verify that immigration officials seeking access to private areas of work places or employee records have a judicial warrant or an official audit notice.

The law prohibits employers from cooperating based only on administrative warrants issued by government agency rather than courts. Those types of documents could include a “warrant of deportation or removal,” according to the Attorney General’s office.

Becerra said many of the questions his office have received are questions about how to recognize those legal documents.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199933454.html
What would happen to all the growers in your state if they would lose all their "illegals" on their payrolls?
Unemployed American citizens would find work and the price of food would go up?

It could happen
How long you lived here?

You know that's not going to happen

It will crush the industry
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by clusterchuck » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:48 am

lust4beer wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:26 am
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:17 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 pm
California guides businesses on how to avoid ‘aiding and abetting’ immigration authorities
BY ANITA CHABRIA

achabria@sacbee.com

Updated February 14, 2018 10:54 AM

The California Attorney General Tuesday issued details on how businesses can navigate a controversial new state law that limits employers’ cooperation with immigration authorities while still complying with federal law.

“Just to be clear, there is no conflict between what (the California law) requires and what federal law requires,” Attorney General Xavier Becerra said at a press event.

The new Immigrant Worker Protection Act (AB 450) went into effect at the start of the year and has caused concern and confusion among some employers. It requires employers to keep workers informed when the federal government is investigating their status and not to cooperate unless the immigration authorities present a judicial warrant or official audit notice.

Many California businesses were not aware of the new rules, while others struggled to put its requirements into practice.

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Tuesday’s release of more information from the Attorney General and the California Labor Commissioner’s Office, both of which are charged with enforcement of the law, was meant to bring clarity for businesses as workplace raids by ICE seem to grow more frequent in the state, and employers are increasingly on the front lines of California’s immigration war with the Trump Administration.

The acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Thomas Homan, has said his agency plans increased enforcement in California because of its declared status as a sanctuary state.


In early February, U.S. Customs and Immigrations agents visited 77 worksites in its northern California territory, which extends from Bakersfield to the Oregon border, to deliver audit notifications. These give the government legal access to employee I-9 records meant to verify a person’s right to work in the United States. In January, the federal government also raided nearly 100 7-Eleven stores across the country, including some in California.

Becerra said he was not aware of any instance in those actions where U.S. immigration officials didn’t follow the correct legal procedure, or where employers failed to follow the new California law. He said that his office was in contact with “a number of individuals and a number of employers” who were involved in earlier raids in California.

In the Sacramento region, the Monsanto agricultural facility in Woodland received an audit notice on Feb. 1.

In Fresno, The Bee reported that about eight agricultural employers in the San Joaquin Valley had received audit notices. At Bee Sweet Citrus in Fowler, south of Fresno, 40 workers out of about 500 did not return to work after the audit notice was received.

“One woman who has worked for me for nearly 20 years came up to me, gave me a hug and told me that she had to leave; she couldn’t take a chance,” said Jim Marderosian, Bee Sweet president. “I got emotional because this is a very difficult thing for families.”

ICE spokesperson Yasmeen Pitts-O’Keefe said there had been no further workplace raids in the area since those in early February, but the results of those audits were part of an ongoing investigation and not available.

Chiu said he thinks the Trump administration is using its enforcement actions to create fear in the immigrant community.

Chiu said that one in three California workers is an immigrant, and one in ten is undocumented.

In fiscal year 2017, HSI conducted 1,360 I-9 audits and made 139 criminal arrests and 172 administrative arrests. Businesses were ordered to pay $97.6 million in judicial forfeiture, fines and restitution and $7.8 million in civil fines, according to an ICE press release.

Becerra said his office had reached out to businesses and trade groups across the state in sectors including agriculture, retail, construction and hospitality to inform them of the new state law and learn what provisions were hardest to understand prior to issuing the new guidelines.

The California law requires employers keep employees informed of federal actions.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199933454.html
What would happen to all the growers in your state if they would lose all their "illegals" on their payrolls?
Unemployed American citizens would find work and the price of food would go up?

It could happen
How long you lived here?

You know that's not going to happen

It will crush the industry
Born in Orange. Military family. This last go around is now 45 + years in my home state.
I'm not debating whether it will happen or not.
No doubt there are no easy answers, that's why the issue has swirled for decades. Politicians on both sides LOVE the theatrical opportunity to stand for something.

One thing for sure, open borders is NOT the answer.
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Re: Unfortunately, this is NOT fake news

Post by lust4beer » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:01 pm

clusterchuck wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:48 am
lust4beer wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:26 am
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 pm
donttreadonme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:17 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 pm
California guides businesses on how to avoid ‘aiding and abetting’ immigration authorities
BY ANITA CHABRIA

achabria@sacbee.com

Updated February 14, 2018 10:54 AM

The California Attorney General Tuesday issued details on how businesses can navigate a controversial new state law that limits employers’ cooperation with immigration authorities while still complying with federal law.

“Just to be clear, there is no conflict between what (the California law) requires and what federal law requires,” Attorney General Xavier Becerra said at a press event.

The new Immigrant Worker Protection Act (AB 450) went into effect at the start of the year and has caused concern and confusion among some employers. It requires employers to keep workers informed when the federal government is investigating their status and not to cooperate unless the immigration authorities present a judicial warrant or official audit notice.

Many California businesses were not aware of the new rules, while others struggled to put its requirements into practice.

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Tuesday’s release of more information from the Attorney General and the California Labor Commissioner’s Office, both of which are charged with enforcement of the law, was meant to bring clarity for businesses as workplace raids by ICE seem to grow more frequent in the state, and employers are increasingly on the front lines of California’s immigration war with the Trump Administration.

The acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Thomas Homan, has said his agency plans increased enforcement in California because of its declared status as a sanctuary state.


In early February, U.S. Customs and Immigrations agents visited 77 worksites in its northern California territory, which extends from Bakersfield to the Oregon border, to deliver audit notifications. These give the government legal access to employee I-9 records meant to verify a person’s right to work in the United States. In January, the federal government also raided nearly 100 7-Eleven stores across the country, including some in California.

Becerra said he was not aware of any instance in those actions where U.S. immigration officials didn’t follow the correct legal procedure, or where employers failed to follow the new California law. He said that his office was in contact with “a number of individuals and a number of employers” who were involved in earlier raids in California.

In the Sacramento region, the Monsanto agricultural facility in Woodland received an audit notice on Feb. 1.

In Fresno, The Bee reported that about eight agricultural employers in the San Joaquin Valley had received audit notices. At Bee Sweet Citrus in Fowler, south of Fresno, 40 workers out of about 500 did not return to work after the audit notice was received.

“One woman who has worked for me for nearly 20 years came up to me, gave me a hug and told me that she had to leave; she couldn’t take a chance,” said Jim Marderosian, Bee Sweet president. “I got emotional because this is a very difficult thing for families.”

ICE spokesperson Yasmeen Pitts-O’Keefe said there had been no further workplace raids in the area since those in early February, but the results of those audits were part of an ongoing investigation and not available.

Chiu said he thinks the Trump administration is using its enforcement actions to create fear in the immigrant community.

Chiu said that one in three California workers is an immigrant, and one in ten is undocumented.

In fiscal year 2017, HSI conducted 1,360 I-9 audits and made 139 criminal arrests and 172 administrative arrests. Businesses were ordered to pay $97.6 million in judicial forfeiture, fines and restitution and $7.8 million in civil fines, according to an ICE press release.

Becerra said his office had reached out to businesses and trade groups across the state in sectors including agriculture, retail, construction and hospitality to inform them of the new state law and learn what provisions were hardest to understand prior to issuing the new guidelines.

The California law requires employers keep employees informed of federal actions.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199933454.html
What would happen to all the growers in your state if they would lose all their "illegals" on their payrolls?
Unemployed American citizens would find work and the price of food would go up?

It could happen
How long you lived here?

You know that's not going to happen

It will crush the industry
Born in Orange. Military family. This last go around is now 45 + years in my home state.
I'm not debating whether it will happen or not.
No doubt there are no easy answers, that's why the issue has swirled for decades. Politicians on both sides LOVE the theatrical opportunity to stand for something.

One thing for sure, open borders is NOT the answer.

We never have or will have "open borders"

DACA was the way to do it

We have an administration that's doesn't want ANY brown skinned people
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