15 Pros and Cons of Single Payer Health Care

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Re: 15 Pros and Cons of Single Payer Health Care

Post by thelionofthenorth » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:49 pm

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Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
That seems fairly complete and accurate.

I'd like to know what the vectors are, though: for example, what do they mean "long wait times for specialized services"? And what are those wait times under our current system?
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Post by barrysoetoro » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:51 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:44 pm
chucky wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
The biggest con is cost. :cash:
Really? I think it provides an amazing competitive advantage to businesses. How much does business spend on health care? Imagine if that were no longer a cost they had to cover. What would that mean to their bottom line? That's only one of the reasons Japanese imports were so cheap... or why GM moved some manufacturing to Canada.
Don't forget all the enviro-regulations you liberals love that shipped our jobs out to 3rd world ghettos.
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Post by barrysoetoro » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:52 pm

thelionofthenorth wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:49 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
That seems fairly complete and accurate.

I'd like to know what the vectors are, though: for example, what do they mean "long wait times for specialized services"? And what are those wait times under our current system?
It's the same as how our veterans die waiting for treatment through that good'ole single payer gov't ran healthcare.

And how Canadians end up coming to our country so they don't die waiting.
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Post by nolaxride » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:20 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:51 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:44 pm
chucky wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
The biggest con is cost. :cash:
Really? I think it provides an amazing competitive advantage to businesses. How much does business spend on health care? Imagine if that were no longer a cost they had to cover. What would that mean to their bottom line? That's only one of the reasons Japanese imports were so cheap... or why GM moved some manufacturing to Canada.
Don't forget all the enviro-regulations you liberals love that shipped our jobs out to 3rd world ghettos.
Considering your difficulties with numbers, I can't wait to hear your examples.
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Post by thelionofthenorth » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:22 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:52 pm
thelionofthenorth wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:49 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
That seems fairly complete and accurate.

I'd like to know what the vectors are, though: for example, what do they mean "long wait times for specialized services"? And what are those wait times under our current system?
It's the same as how our veterans die waiting for treatment through that good'ole single payer gov't ran healthcare.

And how Canadians end up coming to our country so they don't die waiting.
IOW, you haven't got the faintest idea, and try to cover your ignorance by repeating a couple of talking points you heard somewhere - and don't understand.
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Post by nolaxride » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:14 pm

barrysoetoro wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:52 pm
thelionofthenorth wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:49 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
That seems fairly complete and accurate.

I'd like to know what the vectors are, though: for example, what do they mean "long wait times for specialized services"? And what are those wait times under our current system?
It's the same as how our veterans die waiting for treatment through that good'ole single payer gov't ran healthcare.

And how Canadians end up coming to our country so they don't die waiting.
Debunked long ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... bf17839867

Curious that donnie doesn't mention the number of Americans traveling to other countries for health care. 1.5 million last year and expected to grow by 25 percent over the next decade. Less than 55k from Canada travel outside the country for medical care.
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Post by nolaxride » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:17 pm

thelionofthenorth wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:22 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:52 pm
thelionofthenorth wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:49 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
That seems fairly complete and accurate.

I'd like to know what the vectors are, though: for example, what do they mean "long wait times for specialized services"? And what are those wait times under our current system?
It's the same as how our veterans die waiting for treatment through that good'ole single payer gov't ran healthcare.

And how Canadians end up coming to our country so they don't die waiting.
IOW, you haven't got the faintest idea, and try to cover your ignorance by repeating a couple of talking points you heard somewhere - and don't understand.
And to that point, virtually all of the Canadians traveling to the US are traveling for elective procedures. No emergencies. No one is dying. The number of snowbirds in AZ is a good example.
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Post by donttreadonme » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:56 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:44 pm
chucky wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
The biggest con is cost. :cash:
Really? I think it provides an amazing competitive advantage to businesses. How much does business spend on health care? Imagine if that were no longer a cost they had to cover. What would that mean to their bottom line? That's only one of the reasons Japanese imports were so cheap... or why GM moved some manufacturing to Canada.
There's no way corporations get off the hook scot free. They would have to pay a tax per employee as if they were providing the insurance anyway. You have to be realistic in the way you're going to pay for single payer. There's no way that corporations will pass the savings of their health care expenditures on to the consumers anyway. I would see that the tax they would pay would be at a discount as to what they are paying providing insurance themselves. But they have to pay something in the end.
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Post by barrysoetoro » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:53 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:20 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:51 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:44 pm
chucky wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
The biggest con is cost. :cash:
Really? I think it provides an amazing competitive advantage to businesses. How much does business spend on health care? Imagine if that were no longer a cost they had to cover. What would that mean to their bottom line? That's only one of the reasons Japanese imports were so cheap... or why GM moved some manufacturing to Canada.
Don't forget all the enviro-regulations you liberals love that shipped our jobs out to 3rd world ghettos.
Considering your difficulties with numbers, I can't wait to hear your examples.
Tell you what, just jog through your mind all the regulations that you support and come back and tell me how they're not anti-business. Start with your EPA.

Then end with 0bamacare, which tells employers 533 times what they "must, will, shall" do.
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Post by barrysoetoro » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:56 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:17 pm
thelionofthenorth wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:22 pm
barrysoetoro wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:52 pm
thelionofthenorth wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:49 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
That seems fairly complete and accurate.

I'd like to know what the vectors are, though: for example, what do they mean "long wait times for specialized services"? And what are those wait times under our current system?
It's the same as how our veterans die waiting for treatment through that good'ole single payer gov't ran healthcare.

And how Canadians end up coming to our country so they don't die waiting.
IOW, you haven't got the faintest idea, and try to cover your ignorance by repeating a couple of talking points you heard somewhere - and don't understand.
And to that point, virtually all of the Canadians traveling to the US are traveling for elective procedures. No emergencies. No one is dying. The number of snowbirds in AZ is a good example.
Yeah, all the snowbirds that buy American healthcare while they're staying in AZ. Why is that, nobrain?

Because theirs sucks. Get it???

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr ... ealth-care
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