15 Pros and Cons of Single Payer Health Care

Political debate. Welcome Yahoo Message Board exiles and everybody else !!
User avatar
DallasDimeBags
Heir Presumptive
Posts: 2716
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:25 am
x 295

15 Pros and Cons of Single Payer Health Care

Post by DallasDimeBags » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am

Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
2 x

User avatar
I am Z
Global Moderator
Posts: 9242
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:13 am
x 1155

Post by I am Z » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:43 pm

DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.

the way I see it, single payer "could" make sense.

but there are many things that would have to be standardized.

for example; paying all dr's and nurses and hospitals the same in every state of the union.

secondly, the drs, nurses and hospitals in "expensive" states are going to cry foul.

to level the playing field, states would need to standardize their tax structure.

that's right.....all states would need to charge the same sales tax, property tax, death tax, etc.

it's not a level playing field unless it's level for everyone.

some side benefits would be that states that are crucifying their constituents would have to make do on less money. that would provide needed relief in the northeast and out west.

additionally, I would want a few mandates such as able bodied individuals would have to work or legitimately volunteer until they find gainful employment, to get health coverage.

I'm not going to try and cover every possible side effect but to work, it needs to be a level playing field.
0 x
long before there was a president Trump, I insisted on saying Merry Christmas!

:angel11:

User avatar
psk836
Imperial Majesty
Posts: 6219
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:22 am
x 664

Post by psk836 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:22 pm

Con:

The introduction of massive amounts of graft and cronyism to the healthcare industry, a common problem for nearly any government program.

Con:

Government Death Panels choosing who lives and who dies based on the patient's economic viability for "the greater good".

Con:

Unelected bureaucrats employing social engineering "corrective actions" to redistribute health care to "underserved" groups.
1 x

User avatar
DallasDimeBags
Heir Presumptive
Posts: 2716
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:25 am
x 295

Post by DallasDimeBags » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:14 pm

psk836 wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:22 pm
Con:

The introduction of massive amounts of graft and cronyism to the healthcare industry, a common problem for nearly any government program.

Con:

Government Death Panels choosing who lives and who dies based on the patient's economic viability for "the greater good".

Con:

Unelected bureaucrats employing social engineering "corrective actions" to redistribute health care to "underserved" groups.
"he introduction of massive amounts of graft and cronyism to the healthcare industry, a common problem for nearly any government program. "

I would suggest that massive amounts of graft and cronyism are already there but the extent pols could take it to (SOME of them Republican for those who are in favor of Single Payer) if they were running the whole show is potentially much much higher IMNSHO. But hey-Maybe those who support Single Payer so very fervently trust Republican pols more than they trust insurance companies.
0 x

User avatar
psk836
Imperial Majesty
Posts: 6219
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:22 am
x 664

Post by psk836 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:30 pm

DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:14 pm
psk836 wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:22 pm
Con:

The introduction of massive amounts of graft and cronyism to the healthcare industry, a common problem for nearly any government program.

Con:

Government Death Panels choosing who lives and who dies based on the patient's economic viability for "the greater good".

Con:

Unelected bureaucrats employing social engineering "corrective actions" to redistribute health care to "underserved" groups.
"he introduction of massive amounts of graft and cronyism to the healthcare industry, a common problem for nearly any government program. "

I would suggest that massive amounts of graft and cronyism are already there but the extent pols could take it to (SOME of them Republican for those who are in favor of Single Payer) if they were running the whole show is potentially much much higher IMNSHO. But hey-Maybe those who support Single Payer so very fervently trust Republican pols more than they trust insurance companies.
I trust the private marketplace to sort out the cheaters much faster. It all boils down to the cost of the policy and if you are baking in inefficiencies for graft then you will be exposed by those who aren't.
0 x

User avatar
barrysoetoro
Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla
Posts: 18813
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:55 pm
x 376

Post by barrysoetoro » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:25 pm

I see no liberal touched this one.
0 x
☪ "The Battle Cry of The Moronic..........America---Love it or Leave it", brokebackboy, America hating POS

User avatar
nolaxride
Global Moderator
Posts: 11438
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:09 pm
x 560

Post by nolaxride » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:52 pm

DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single-payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
Get the AMA out of the business of regulating the numbers of medical school seats and we won't have a shortage. In the meantime, nurse practitioners and physician assistants do a pretty good job...
0 x
— "It will be revealed in the coming months that he was in fact born in Kenya" - 17 Nov 2016zxx

User avatar
chucky
Rock Star
Posts: 14921
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:27 pm
x 1426

Post by chucky » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 pm

DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
The biggest con is cost. :cash:
0 x
"I’d rather die standing up than live on my knees."
Stephane Charbonnier

User avatar
nolaxride
Global Moderator
Posts: 11438
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:09 pm
x 560

Post by nolaxride » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:44 pm

chucky wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
The biggest con is cost. :cash:
Really? I think it provides an amazing competitive advantage to businesses. How much does business spend on health care? Imagine if that were no longer a cost they had to cover. What would that mean to their bottom line? That's only one of the reasons Japanese imports were so cheap... or why GM moved some manufacturing to Canada.
0 x
— "It will be revealed in the coming months that he was in fact born in Kenya" - 17 Nov 2016zxx

User avatar
chucky
Rock Star
Posts: 14921
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:27 pm
x 1426

Post by chucky » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:11 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:44 pm
chucky wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 pm
DallasDimeBags wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 am
Do ANY of the namecallers/cartoonists/tweet copiers etc. on this forum have the ability to actually address the pros and cons in this article?



Full article at https://vittana.org/15-pros-and-cons-of ... ealth-care

Pros
1. 1. Everyone gets covered.
2. 2. Providers are paid at the same rate.
3. It creates spending leverage.
4. Private care can still be made available.
5. The United States already has a single payer system in place.
6. Costs are reduced in a single payer system.
7. Different compensation structures can be implemented.
8. Health insurance costs go away.

Cons
1. Medical providers may opt for private-pay only unless legally mandated otherwise.
2. It does not solve the doctor shortage problem.
3. The money for a single payer system needs to come from somewhere.
4. There can be long wait times to receive specialized services.
5. It increases the size of government.
6. There may be a reduced effort to innovate.
7. Health insurance costs may not disappear.

The pros and cons of single payer health care show that there is potential with this idea, but there are difficult scenarios which must be effectively managed at the same time. A single payer system can be good or it can be bad. It all depends on each individual perspective.
The biggest con is cost. :cash:
Really? I think it provides an amazing competitive advantage to businesses. How much does business spend on health care? Imagine if that were no longer a cost they had to cover. What would that mean to their bottom line? That's only one of the reasons Japanese imports were so cheap... or why GM moved some manufacturing to Canada.
Cost in taxes to individuals. Yeah it's great for corporations. I mean why should they have to pay their fair share ? Many Japanese cars are made in the U S. and Canada.
0 x
"I’d rather die standing up than live on my knees."
Stephane Charbonnier

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: chucky, donttreadonme and 7 guests