Brandon Border Policy Explained

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Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by clusterchuck » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:23 am

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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by Shred » Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:15 am

Credible evidence rather than a meme?

And btw it's very easy to bypass a wall like that.

Oxy acetylene cutting torches, and gas bottles are ten a penny, not difficult to get hold of and would slice through any metal "wall" like a hot knife through butter.
Barbed wire?
Even easier to cut through that.

Unless you build a very tall very deep, very thick concrete composite wall, with seismic detecting anti tunneling measures, anti aircraft measures, watch towers, motion detecting CCTV, and armed guards you haven't a hope of stopping illegal immigrants with a so called "wall" of metal fencing / barbed wire / shipping containers.

And the cost of building a very tall very deep very thick concrete composite wall, with seismic anti tunneling measures, radar, motion detecting CCTV and manned watch towers is beyond what your country would be willing to spend.

So look at alternatives, such as working with the governments of the countries the illegal immigrants are coming from.

Do a treaty so that if they come, they're automatically deported back.

Engage with their governments to do free trade agreements to boost their economies and provide better employment at home.

Kill the drug gangs off with effective policies as Portugal has.
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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by pete » Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:55 am

"...it's very easy to bypass a wall like that..."

Then why worry about taking it down?
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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by Shred » Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:58 am

I'm not worried.
I'm simply putting forward points and trying to help debate along.

The thing with debate, it helps to shape workable policies and result in actions rather than just going along with something that doesn't work and digging your heels in.

How much money does it cost to put up metal fencing that any Mexican gang can cheaply and easily cut through?
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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by pete » Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:17 am

Shred wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:58 am
I'm not worried.
I'm simply putting forward points and trying to help debate along.

The thing with debate, it helps to shape workable policies and result in actions rather than just going along with something that doesn't work and digging your heels in.

How much money does it cost to put up metal fencing that any Mexican gang can cheaply and easily cut through?
Why put a padlock on my tool shed? Because the effort involved in cutting it off attracts attention. Then I respond
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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by Shred » Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:59 am

Bit different to your tool shed Pete.

The action of burning enough room to get vehicles through a steel fence in the middle of the desert doesn't take long at all and is far enough away to prevent effective response.

Wouldn't be possible if the border wall was actually a concrete wall.
That would require more specialised tools like the Hatton Garden mob used.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatton_Ga ... t_burglary

This robbery took four days and consider the size of the hole they made.

If your southern border had a concrete wall, that thick, it's unlikely any cars would get through it.

But that wouldn't stop low flying aircraft and remote airstrips inside your country.
There are all kinds of ways to defeat border security.

So consider working with other governments.
Immediate extradition treaties.
Trade treaties.
Cooperation.
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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by pete » Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:18 am

Building a wall is not going to stop 100% of determined invaders. It must be a multi-pronged approach. Drones, cameras, motorized ground patrol, motion and sound detection.

You'll never get em all. Even Hoover Dam doesn't hold every drop. It allows the desired amount to flow
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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by Shred » Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:32 am

The desired amount is none.
And the fencing is so easy to bypass it doesn't work at all.

How many illegal immigrants would come if their countries were prosperous thriving economies rather than drug dumps?
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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by pete » Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:36 am

Shred wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:32 am
The desired amount is none.
And the fencing is so easy to bypass it doesn't work at all.

How many illegal immigrants would come if their countries were prosperous thriving economies rather than drug dumps?
Lots of immigrants came here legally and passed through Ellis Island

We need to document incoming people. We have a lot of people who'd like to burn the US down.
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Re: Brandon Border Policy Explained

Post by Shred » Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:41 am

So document them.
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