$2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by Evil » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:34 am

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Here is another talking point.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/ ... k-pro-act/

"A provision of President Joe Biden’s proposed $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, the American Jobs Plan, would erode “right-to-work” laws in states that do not force workers to join a union, and would include a controversial “card check” system.

As described by the White House, the plan will “promote union organizing and collective bargaining,” in part through the “Protecting the Right to Organize (PRO) Act,” a Democrat bill that passed the House of Representatives earlier this year."

"Those “signed authorizations” are a system called “card check,” in which union members can approach workers — even at their homes — and ask them to sign that they want to join the union.

'“Card check” does away with the secret ballot, and it could allow union organizers to intimidate workers — which is why even former Democratic Party presidential nominee George McGovern opposed the idea in 2008. Then as now, Democrats claimed they were helping workers’ rights, calling “card check” the “Employee Free Choice Act.”'

Currently, 27 states have passed “right-to-work” laws that “that no person can be compelled, as a condition of employment, to join or not to join, nor to pay dues to a labor union,” according to the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation. Many of these are governed by Republicans; many have also experienced rapid economic growth in recent years, and have attracted workers who have left Democrat-governed states with strict unionization laws.

Biden’s infrastructure plan would make Democrats’ approach the national norm, and would include a “card check” system that was once too radical for President Barack Obama, with a Democratic House and a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate, to pass."
Show me how this bill does that. Your article ties two separate bills together but doesn't cite how they are tired together.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... jobs-plan/

Card-check is a bad program that should not be passed
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by psk836 » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:13 am

Evil wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:34 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:24 am
Here is another talking point.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/ ... k-pro-act/

"A provision of President Joe Biden’s proposed $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, the American Jobs Plan, would erode “right-to-work” laws in states that do not force workers to join a union, and would include a controversial “card check” system.

As described by the White House, the plan will “promote union organizing and collective bargaining,” in part through the “Protecting the Right to Organize (PRO) Act,” a Democrat bill that passed the House of Representatives earlier this year."

"Those “signed authorizations” are a system called “card check,” in which union members can approach workers — even at their homes — and ask them to sign that they want to join the union.

'“Card check” does away with the secret ballot, and it could allow union organizers to intimidate workers — which is why even former Democratic Party presidential nominee George McGovern opposed the idea in 2008. Then as now, Democrats claimed they were helping workers’ rights, calling “card check” the “Employee Free Choice Act.”'

Currently, 27 states have passed “right-to-work” laws that “that no person can be compelled, as a condition of employment, to join or not to join, nor to pay dues to a labor union,” according to the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation. Many of these are governed by Republicans; many have also experienced rapid economic growth in recent years, and have attracted workers who have left Democrat-governed states with strict unionization laws.

Biden’s infrastructure plan would make Democrats’ approach the national norm, and would include a “card check” system that was once too radical for President Barack Obama, with a Democratic House and a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate, to pass."
Show me how this bill does that. Your article ties two separate bills together but doesn't cite how they are tired together.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... jobs-plan/

Card-check is a bad program that should not be passed
The White House statement does that (as mentioned in the Breitbart article).

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... jobs-plan/

"Empower Workers. President Biden is calling on Congress to update the social contract that provides workers with a fair shot to get ahead, overcome racial and other inequalities that have been barriers for too many Americans, expand the middle class, and strengthen communities. He is calling on Congress to ensure all workers have a free and fair choice to join a union by passing the Protecting the Right to Organize (PRO) Act, and guarantee union and bargaining rights for public service workers. His plan also ensures domestic workers receive the legal benefits and protections they deserve and tackles pay inequities based on gender."

Agreed on card check.

I do not like forced union membership, but having a union in our shop actually makes things simpler and we have a very good relationship with our local.
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by Evil » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:25 am

psk836 wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:13 am
Evil wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:34 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:24 am
Here is another talking point.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/ ... k-pro-act/

"A provision of President Joe Biden’s proposed $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, the American Jobs Plan, would erode “right-to-work” laws in states that do not force workers to join a union, and would include a controversial “card check” system.

As described by the White House, the plan will “promote union organizing and collective bargaining,” in part through the “Protecting the Right to Organize (PRO) Act,” a Democrat bill that passed the House of Representatives earlier this year."

"Those “signed authorizations” are a system called “card check,” in which union members can approach workers — even at their homes — and ask them to sign that they want to join the union.

'“Card check” does away with the secret ballot, and it could allow union organizers to intimidate workers — which is why even former Democratic Party presidential nominee George McGovern opposed the idea in 2008. Then as now, Democrats claimed they were helping workers’ rights, calling “card check” the “Employee Free Choice Act.”'

Currently, 27 states have passed “right-to-work” laws that “that no person can be compelled, as a condition of employment, to join or not to join, nor to pay dues to a labor union,” according to the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation. Many of these are governed by Republicans; many have also experienced rapid economic growth in recent years, and have attracted workers who have left Democrat-governed states with strict unionization laws.

Biden’s infrastructure plan would make Democrats’ approach the national norm, and would include a “card check” system that was once too radical for President Barack Obama, with a Democratic House and a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate, to pass."
Show me how this bill does that. Your article ties two separate bills together but doesn't cite how they are tired together.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... jobs-plan/

Card-check is a bad program that should not be passed
The White House statement does that (as mentioned in the Breitbart article).

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... jobs-plan/

"Empower Workers. President Biden is calling on Congress to update the social contract that provides workers with a fair shot to get ahead, overcome racial and other inequalities that have been barriers for too many Americans, expand the middle class, and strengthen communities. He is calling on Congress to ensure all workers have a free and fair choice to join a union by passing the Protecting the Right to Organize (PRO) Act, and guarantee union and bargaining rights for public service workers. His plan also ensures domestic workers receive the legal benefits and protections they deserve and tackles pay inequities based on gender."

Agreed on card check.

I do not like forced union membership, but having a union in our shop actually makes things simpler and we have a very good relationship with our local.
So this infrastructure and jobs bill does nothing regarding the PRO Act. There's merely a mention of it on the WH website statement. Good.
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by psk836 » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:30 am

That was clear in the cited article.

"As described by the White House, the plan will “promote union organizing and collective bargaining,” in part through the “Protecting the Right to Organize (PRO) Act,” a Democrat bill that passed the House of Representatives earlier this year."'

The confusion was all yours, but I am glad to help clarify for you.
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by Evil » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:38 am

"A provision of President Joe Biden’s proposed $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, the American Jobs Plan, would erode “right-to-work” laws in states that do not force workers to join a union, and would include a controversial “card check” system.

There is no such provision. You got duped again. I too am glad we could clear that up.
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by barrysoetoro » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:01 pm

MiltantCentrist wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:30 am
Good, "right to work" is B.S. that hurts workers.
Funny how companies relocate to right to work states where they don't have to put up with Union BS
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by psk836 » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:09 pm

Democrats force workers to pay union dues.

Unions then pay a cut of the extorted money to the Democrat Party.

In politics this is known as the circle of life, but it's been on life support as more and more states drop the union mandate and now only 10% of the American labor force pays union dues for Democrats to graft onto.

Note that most union workers no longer support the Democrat Party, but their leadership does. Meaning rank and file workers are forced to support a political party against their will.
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by MiltantCentrist » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:06 pm

Evil wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:38 am
"A provision of President Joe Biden’s proposed $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, the American Jobs Plan, would erode “right-to-work” laws in states that do not force workers to join a union, and would include a controversial “card check” system.

There is no such provision. You got duped again. I too am glad we could clear that up.
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by Evil » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:11 pm

psk836 wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:09 pm
Democrats force workers to pay union dues.

Unions then pay a cut of the extorted money to the Democrat Party.

In politics this is known as the circle of life, but it's been on life support as more and more states drop the union mandate and now only 10% of the American labor force pays union dues for Democrats to graft onto.

Note that most union workers no longer support the Democrat Party, but their leadership does. Meaning rank and file workers are forced to support a political party against their will.
Because unions don't give to Republicans?

Are you still trying to find that provision not-so-Breitbart fooled you into believing was there?
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Re: $2T infrastructure and jobs proposal

Post by nolaxride » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:50 am

barrysoetoro wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:25 am
Evil wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:24 am
barrysoetoro wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:23 am
"The plan raises the corporate tax rate from 21 percent to 28 percent.
It also increases the global minimum tax paid from about 13 percent to 21 percent.
The proposal ends federal tax breaks for fossil fuel companies"

what does this have to do with infrastructure and jobs???? All that's going to do is put people out of work!

You'd have to be a dick head to think Biden has a clue.
Are you really this dumb or is it an act?
what does that have to do with infrastructure and jobs? We all know you don't know and are desperate to defend your failed president
Is your reading comprehension really that bad? Your copy and paste only speaks to the tax increases. Did you not read the rest of the post?

And what's not included in the original post was the 10% tax surcharge for companies offshoring manufacturing, along with a 10% tax credit for onshoring, opening shuttered factories, upgrading existing factories, and hiring more workers.

That tax increase pays for that job creation.
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